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112418.26 in reply to 112418.25
Date: 09/22/2009 13:18:07
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If you are in a league without good perimeter defenders, then after a certain point training outside shooting will have diminishing returns. But then, this is true for every type of skill at some point, right?


I get this point but why would JR have diminishing returns for a SG faster than JS? It just doesn't make sense. If you go by the salary formula, the most important offensive skill for a SG should be JR.

To me, that always indicated that a great SG in BB, against a great perimeter d, should have JR in the 14/15 range to make a good portion of his 3s. However, what I am essentially being told is that average JR is what you should strive for.

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112418.27 in reply to 112418.26
Date: 09/22/2009 19:30:29
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If you go by the salary formula, the most important offensive skill for a SG should be JR.

and if you go by the salary formula, IS has no impact at all for a SF... and SB is almost as important as IS, ID and Reb for a C.

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112418.28 in reply to 112418.2
Date: 09/23/2009 05:49:47
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But my impression is that players with huge driving and jumpshot tend to take more shots, players with huge jump range will hit more :P.


I'm sure about that,

And I think it partly works this way:
When a PF (for instance) chooses to take a jumpshot in stead of a inside shot his opponent might have to use more than his inside defence, namely his outside defense. When the particular opponent is bad at OD his attacker might learn that it might be better to take a jumpshot, instead of a inside shot.

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112418.29 in reply to 112418.28
Date: 09/23/2009 06:32:39
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My experiences say that JR is very very usefull skill (and for PG even more according to my NT games). At this point of game, when OD is at level 13-14 for like 90% of NT players, you should have 12-13 JR for a good scorer, to be recognized. My players made like 9/10, 10/10 etc. in NT games with similar opponent last season! It was becose of high JR i think..

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112418.30 in reply to 112418.27
Date: 09/23/2009 11:17:51
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and if you go by the salary formula, IS has no impact at all for a SF... and SB is almost as important as IS, ID and Reb for a C.


I actually do not have a big issue for the IS salary impact on a SF. IS on a SF in BB is a secondary skill at best, maybe even a third skill. For sure I would want OD, ID, JS on a SF first. After that, passing, handling, driving and rebounding would be next on my list. Not to say that IS is not useful for a SF, it is just not one of the most important skills.

SB - I don't fully understand the impact of the GE changes yet so I can't comment on it.

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112418.31 in reply to 112418.30
Date: 09/23/2009 13:00:06
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and if you go by the salary formula, IS has no impact at all for a SF... and SB is almost as important as IS, ID and Reb for a C.


I actually do not have a big issue for the IS salary impact on a SF. IS on a SF in BB is a secondary skill at best, maybe even a third skill. For sure I would want OD, ID, JS on a SF first. After that, passing, handling, driving and rebounding would be next on my list. Not to say that IS is not useful for a SF, it is just not one of the most important skills.

yeah...that's why often the coach of teams like Toroo used big mans as SF playing look inside....for their handling and driving skills ;P
In some points,the salary formula doesn't reflect the impact of a skill for certain roles...

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112418.32 in reply to 112418.31
Date: 09/23/2009 13:10:43
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yeah...that's why often the coach of teams like Toroo used big mans as SF playing look inside....


I can't quote all of his games, but it looks like he played look inside today during his B3 match and used a SG and SF at the SF position (and I know his SF's best skill is not inside shot). I would actually be surprised if Torooo ever used a C at SF but please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, inside shot can be useful on a SF in a look inside offense, but I would not put its importance over inside/outside d, jump shot, passing and handling or even a decent amount of driving.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 09/23/2009 13:14:05

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112418.33 in reply to 112418.32
Date: 09/23/2009 13:13:22
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Actually, I couldn't see significant difference between a SF with tremendous JS and respectable JS, but the sample size is still quite small.

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112418.34 in reply to 112418.33
Date: 09/23/2009 14:04:04
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Actually, I couldn't see significant difference between a SF with tremendous JS and respectable JS, but the sample size is still quite small.


Are you saying that I should just stop training altogether? ;-)

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112418.35 in reply to 112418.34
Date: 09/23/2009 14:11:12
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Dunno, but after downgrading from prolific/prolific to proficient/proficient in IS/ID, so that I can upgrade from respectable to tremendous JS, I haven't seen a sufficient improvement in outside tactics.

Which once again comes to prove that mediocre JR is not quite sufficient.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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