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201579.67 in reply to 201579.64
Date: 11/8/2011 2:54:38 AM
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Man, you are so wrong on so many levels...and I am ok with that; everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how wrong can it be. If you think the grass is pink, that's fine with me; just don't try to convince me into that.

What is bothering me a lot is you are putting thoughts in other people's minds. Everytime a top team writes something against your proposals, you are accusing them they are against it solely because your changes would affect them the most. As one user before me said, you have to be the most frustrating user here. But let me tell you of a similar game that had a "simpler version" which never really lift off.

There is a card game, called Magic: the Gathering and I had been playing it for more than 10 years. It's quite complex and the learning curve is way steep; the difference in knowledge and experience between top players and beginners was so VAST it turned down a lot of newcomers. Those who stayed and didn't want to compete on highest level though could play "casual Magic" - multiplayer and between friends instead of Grand Prixes and Pro Tours. And everyone were happy.

Then they released a simpler game for kids...wait for it, you might have hear about it... Pokemon! It is a bit like M:tG, but much much simpler (I tried that too). What happened? You could master the game in few weeks and there existed only 2-3 great decks that costed a ton of money to acquire. Needless to say, Pokemon was a big hit that lasted a few years. Magic is now 15 years old and only growing and growing.

I hope you are not blindsided by your anger towards all people who are proving you wrong and will see the analogy here: BB is like MtG: you can play on top level (D.I), but it takes time; if you don't want that, you can train U21 and NT players, or you can become a supporter and find your cup of tea in Private leagues. Of course you can't compare BB and MtG on financial levels (winner of a Pro Tour gets $30.000, but you have to invest a lot to come to that title), but the rest is here.

What you would like to have is a Pokemon game; instant gratification. And after you win your D.I, then what?? People would get bored quickly because it would be much simpler to win.

I think of myself as a decent manager; not the best there is, but a decent one. I could promote much faster, but I chose to put training of U21 players before my team's goals. Despite that, I managed to go from D.IV to D.II playoffs in four full seasons in a 700-team country and in two seasons, I could be in D.I if it wasn't for training NT SFs out of position. So how can you say this league isn't competitive? The more users a country has, the harder and longer it take to come on top. Compare top athletes in athletics coming from USA with ahletes coming from Spain or Poland or Israel, for that matter. Do you want to tell me USA athletics is not competitive because it takes so much effort to come on top there? Please...



Last edited by Koperboy at 11/8/2011 2:55:36 AM

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201579.68 in reply to 201579.67
Date: 11/8/2011 4:09:58 AM
BC Hostivař
První liga
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Please, gain your own experience before you make such a suggestions. You have played just 2 full seasons, first one you promoted from Div IV to Div III and another one you avoided relegation from Div III.
Focus on your own team with current conditions of the game, work hard and as soon as you find out that your are working for several season harder than your opponents that started earlier, come again and share with us your experience. Instead of trying to change the game you should be looking for advices how to play well current game. And if you find this game boring, unfair etc., find another game which will fit you more.

I have benn here from season 3, I won B3, I won European Championships with our NT, I won many times league and cup. But I have been still learning and finding new ways how to improve my team both economic balance of my team and finding new setups for using game engine as well as possible.
The main difference between users started e.g. in season 5 and 12 are experience that they could gain as one of them has been playing 2 years longer. Many users have to make some mistakes in first few seasons that help him later to play the game better.

Few seasons ago I thought there is quite big disbalance between income in Div I and Div II, but nowadays with drop of prices in TL I think there is much bigger chance to avoid relegation for promoted teams.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/8/2011 6:40:34 AM

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201579.69 in reply to 201579.68
Date: 11/8/2011 4:16:50 AM
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Well said. I would add one more thing to your post. What is the difference between a S3 and S12 team? S12 team can exploit the knowledge of S3 teams that come from experience. If a new owner wants to compete seriously, then all he has to do is to browse forums. In this way, he can avoid many mistakes older teams made before him.

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201579.70 in reply to 201579.68
Date: 11/8/2011 4:49:27 AM
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And I forgot to mention one more thing. There has been already soft cap as incomes are limited.

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201579.71 in reply to 201579.70
Date: 11/8/2011 5:47:09 AM
GlobalniTrotlni
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I believe BB is a new user friendly game. Offcourse you can not just get to the 1 division in 3 seasons, but with the help of forums, experienced players and a little dedication you can succeed quite quick or at least build a team that is capable of coping for the play-offs. I started the game in the season 14 and am already one of the stronger II. division teams:D

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201579.74 in reply to 201579.61
Date: 11/8/2011 3:10:57 PM
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Just because you explained your proposal doesn't mean it's not ridiculous. You are saying that assets should be reset and larger teams should lose everything they worked hard for. That is ridiculous. Weaker teams should just work hard so can they can reach the level of the higher teams. I can show you several examples around the world of newer managers that have climbed to the top division.
I like that you have many ideas but you need to realize when you are wrong...

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201579.75 in reply to 201579.73
Date: 11/8/2011 3:27:14 PM
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Well, Homer "gave me strength", and I tested the Spanish first division (again, just the "great 8").

And again I was just totaly "amazed" to find, again, that the newest team in this conference had been a team from season 4 !!!

13 seasons passed from season 4, and not even one team had been able to compete (againa) with current "competative system".

[Sarcasm]How can I argue that there is a problem with current system?[/Sarcasm]

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201579.76 in reply to 201579.75
Date: 11/8/2011 3:34:55 PM
Bisamberg Torpedos
Bundesliga
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So you say that these Spanish Teams - nearly all of them went from Div V to I in their career - are not at the top because they know how to play but only because they started early? In a country with over 4000 users getting to the top you won't be able to get to the top if you are not a good manager

How about you first PLAY for sometime and promote to the top instead of whining that its unfair that older teams have an advantage because they used their time to build up a strong team?

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201579.77 in reply to 201579.65
Date: 11/8/2011 3:44:09 PM
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This is not a marathon, it's basketball so allow me to use a more realistic comparison. Tell me, at which point in time will the NBA reset?
So now after I prove that the marathon example (one of you) gave works even better as one of my argument, it is not valid? Interesting...

The marathon's comparison argument stands.

Anyhow, on the NBA there are soft and hard cap.

This season saw the rise of a team which was started in season 7 to the top. Like I said, all it takes is proper long term planning to get to the top, old team or new team. Look at Australia as well. Focusing on one or two league suggests something, but cannot be used as proof.
1) Regarding the Austrakian ABBL league I already written.
2) So there is finally a team from season 7 in your first league, and none from the 10 seasons ended afterwards, and you call it a competative system? Interesting once again...

This is even w/o taking a look what happened to those older teams.
Did they left the game or something else?

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