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Only 3 days until HGL starts!

What's new:
1. Roster check finished yesterday. If nobody has intentionally become non-HG team after yesterday, all teams will be HGL eligible at April 7th when Season 1 starts (as players from Swan River Serpents and Rajdersi will get sold before that)!
2. Season 1 schedule check finished. Found few problems (mentioned below, check them out), but I will let all matches that are off maximum of 1 hour from the correct/designated HGL match time be as they are, so in those occasions no further actions are required.

EDIT: many of issues already corrected by 4.4.2025 at 17.00EET, but condensed and most updated list of things to do is found from here: (326589.68).

What is still required from some managers:

1. @Chucarro and @Moneta: send box score posts to official HGL Scores Thread (BBMail sent to you both).
2. @Deano25: you need to re-schedule 6 matches in your HGL schedule that start at 12.30 EET DST.
Matches that are starting 15.30 EET DST (Eastern European Time, Daylight Savings Time) on your schedule, in other words those matches starting 3 hours later than your problematic matches, are scheduled to start at correct times.
I have written about this in official scores-thread, for instance in this post: (326589.44). As mentioned, if you are unsure about that correct time, you can re-arrange one match of your choice (out of those problematic 6), then send me BBMail or post on official thread and I'll see how it appears in your schedule.
However, you have few correct times on matches in where you've been responsible for sending challenge, and as your official designated HGL match time is 10.30PM local time, I suspect that you've used that in your correctly timed challenges.
3. @Deano25: You have wrong opponents in your box score posts for rounds 9 (should be ED) and round 10 (should be TRO). For Round 11 against Svätý Jur Snakers, you need to change your match link; replace it with a box score link already provided by Hadar in his schedule, as that match is played at correct time. So please also correct both of these.
4. @all managers that have problematic starting time (12.30PM EET DST) with Heywood Big Dogs (Deano25), you need to correct your links on your box score post after Deano25 has sent you new challenge on correct time and you have accepted it
5. Wagner needs to provide the rest of rules and penalties before Season 1 starts. (Sounds like a daunting task - luckily I'm not Wagner.... oh, wait.. ;P ;) Having said that, I might reserve the right to add some detail to the full rule package during Season 1, in the case they wouldn't change important things significantly. The amount of preliminary work has caught me off guard, so I have not had time to concentrate on rules/penalties at all lately.
6. Not urgent or absolutely necessary, but in order to make it easier for me it would be ideal to stick within certain style when writing box score posts. In this case I've so far noticed couple of things: Deano25 could perhaps use European format (day/month/year) and Gccsteel could add a year to his listing after each match.

Matches that need to be organized and changed:
1. Some of Deano25's matches (6 matches that start at 12.30PM EET DST), as you all can see from official schedule it's officially Deano's responsibility to send all those challenges. (Like mentioned, it doesn't matter if their opponent wants to organize those matches, if Deano25 would be low on tokens, as long as they are played in correct time).
Problematic matches seem to be at
-Round 2 vs. LGM
-R3 vs. BIG
-R6 vs. SED
-R7 vs. WMO
-R8 vs. BUC
-R9 (wrong opponent in schedule; in ED's schedule wrong match time; 12.30)
-R10 (wrong opponent in schedule)
-R11 vs. HAD (only problematic link in Deano25's schedule - Deano: change link)
-R12 vs. SUM


Last edited by Wagner at 4/4/2025 10:33:27 AM

Ok, I think I have sent appropriate timed games to the managers who I needed to send adjusted times to (though apparently I sent one that I already had correct). It is currently 1:20am Friday morning here, I've just come back from running a three day camp for the school I work at and I have work tomorrow, but I'm trying to get things in order as specified and to be frank finding things buried in the threads of these forums is frustrating at the best of times, let alone when I'm half asleep.

We are so close to the start of the season, so I want to make sure I do what is required of me to get it to run because of the work everyone has put into it, but if you have another team who is interested in taking part next year please give them my place. We haven't even hit round one yet and I'm hating seeing the little notification pop up that there is chat in the forum that requires my attention.

As I've mentioned before, this is a game and if it feels onerous it has ceased to be a game for me. I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine. But if the majority of managers want to play it that way, so be it.
If we have too many games scheduled it is because I've tried to schedule them, stuffed up the time and rescheduled the game. In no way would it be to gain an edge - I mean, who would bother to do that? What would that say about your character as a person if you truly tried to run multiple games against another opponent to try and engineer a result to win a fantasy, online basketball match?

To me, running a Home Grown team is just somehting I've been doing for a long time to see if I could.
Once everyone has accepted the updated times I'll update the links and the season can play out then I'm out.

If we have too many games scheduled it is because I've tried to schedule them, stuffed up the time and rescheduled the game. In no way would it be to gain an edge - I mean, who would bother to do that? What would that say about your character as a person if you truly tried to run multiple games against another opponent to try and engineer a result to win a fantasy, online basketball match?

To me, running a Home Grown team is just somehting I've been doing for a long time to see if I could.
Once everyone has accepted the updated times I'll update the links and the season can play out then I'm out.

Thank you for your response. Let me be clear on this - you are not suspected of anything suspicious, or being thrown under bus due to not organizing everything correctly. However, there are billions of different kind of people in the world, and it would not surprise me the least bit, if I'd hear some managers would feel it's good idea to play multiple matches and select the published game from those. This is not a huge task to correct though, nor does it exhaust more than 6-7 of your tokens, and as all other matches are organized within 1 hour time frame, it's best to stick with same policy for all.
And forum is a dreadful place to set all these up, find information when needed etc., I think most of us can agree on that. Dedicated website would be better, but that'll have to wait (if it ever even sees the daylight, that is).

We all need to remember that this league is just starting out, so we are all little bit unfamiliar with certain tasks that running it requires. But like we learned to play BB, we will learn what it takes to participate to HGL.

Also, while you have certainly also acknowledged the work needed for establishing a completely new league, maybe somebody (who has perhaps tendency to be more critical) would be less critical, if they knew how much effort actually goes into planning and executing certain HGL related tasks. Nothing happens automatically in this league. It is an unfortunate fact, but we're going to have to live with it as long as HGL is not an official part of BB. What is even more unfortunate from my point of view, "Nothing happens automatically in this league" is true in pronounced manner when in comes to league Commissioner.

And I'm not sure if I need to say this, but now this work that you guys do when you create box score posts, do you remember that you were supposed to do it during the Season 1 for the 15 separate times? So other option would've been that you would've had to send separate box score links to scores thread in every, say, 3-4 days. Which option do you find better then? Now it takes that off from your chest when you get it done, you can set up full lineups for the whole regular season, and next time HGL requires your attention (unless you're contacted by me in BBMail for some reason) is during playoffs.
So if you "sign out" for a regular season (you know what I mean; not setting lineups actively, commenting to anything on forums, etc.), you need to remember to arrange matches during playoffs every week separately.

Again, I wonder if anyone realizes how much time it has taken from me to verify all these things are correct and functional.. For instance, one mistake often has an effect on league that reaches far beyond one team only, as we can see here. I understand I'm probably the most committed manager what becomes to HGL, and don't expect same kind of enthusiasm or commitment from other managers. But again - for instance this is not a long task to correct, and of course it could've been done correctly in the first place which would've saved that trouble from all. Of course it's not enjoyable task to take over if you're tired, but thanks for doing it... But this will give us some information regarding to Season 2, as we don't want to start this process as later as I originally planned, but allow it at least as much time as we had this time.

O[...]I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine.

Your thorough response would deserve even longer response, but I'll just say in here that this has been discussed in lengthy manner (yes, mostly by me) in Homegrown teams II-thread. Forums are useless for us non-supporters when needing to find information later on, so I can't (won't) now link my older posts here. But I assure you there are many benefits on playing on the same time (and 1 hour tolerance is already accepted, especially if it's not done on purpose). I can't even recall all reasons what I could come up with why it's beneficial to do it this way, but like I said, it's all been said on the forum if one wants to read it.
It's really long subject anyway... And match times will never be good to all, as we reside on the edges of the world so to speak. So at least 50% of matches would be at lousy times anyways (and we would have to change the volunteering challenge system used now, to balance that, or then for other teams it could be like 85% bad times), now you at least know which time of day it will take place, and scores will be available sooner, and it creates standard for league, and most importantly you can not decide to use other PU match result later on.

O[...]I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine.

Your thorough response would deserve even longer response, but I'll just say in here that this has been discussed in lengthy manner (yes, mostly by me) in Homegrown teams II-thread. Forums are useless for us non-supporters when needing to find information later on, so I can't (won't) now link my older posts here. But I assure you there are many benefits on playing on the same time (and 1 hour tolerance is already accepted, especially if it's not done on purpose). I can't even recall all reasons what I could come up with why it's beneficial to do it this way, but like I said, it's all been said on the forum if one wants to read it.
It's really long subject anyway... And match times will never be good to all, as we reside on the edges of the world so to speak. So at least 50% of matches would be at lousy times anyways (and we would have to change the volunteering challenge system used now, to balance that, or then for other teams it could be like 85% bad times), now you at least:
A) know which time of day it will take place, and
B) scores will be available sooner, and
C) it creates standard for league,
D) results of (especially playoff) matches aren't available before other matches have even started, and
E) most importantly you can not decide to use other PU match result later on as matches happen at the same time (theoretically it would also be possible for Commissioner to verify each match time and number separately, but given the amount of work included already now, I'm not sure I need any added layer of complexity due to that - spent hours and hours already this time to check everything out).

Last edited by Wagner at 4/3/2025 11:29:10 AM

I can understand the vision of Deano25 but once the season will be started, I'm sure we'll be glad that it is meticulously organised so thank you for the hard work you produced Wagner ! Furthermore, maybe the "standards" you are creating for the league can be a part of the fun we'll have playing in it. It makes it more official.

Now let the HGL begin and good luck to everyone

Wagner, not for a second am I questioning how much time you are putting into this. It is clear it is way more than any other manager, but no one is asking you to do that. I’m just expressing how I’m feeling about this league. If we’re worried about the super long forums and how hard it makes it to find things, maybe a single response to my post instead of - was it three or four - may have been sufficient.
I don’t want to debate this. Play the league how you will. I’ll make the adjustments necessary in time so games against me are authentic and don’t ruin the experience for other managers, but then I’m out.

Some updates on what still is waiting to be completed, 6.4.2025 at 16.50 EET (only non-urgent minor issue):

@Deano 25 (EDIT 6.4.2025):
2 links are not functional (due to extra space after '=')in your box score post. This is definitely not a big deal, nor is it urgent as it's just most important to have the right information in there (as you now do), but maybe you can fix it in some later time, here: (326590.56).

Last edited by Wagner at 4/6/2025 9:58:26 AM

Ok, I think I have sent appropriate timed games to the managers who I needed to send adjusted times to (though apparently I sent one that I already had correct). It is currently 1:20am Friday morning here, I've just come back from running a three day camp for the school I work at and I have work tomorrow, but I'm trying to get things in order as specified and to be frank finding things buried in the threads of these forums is frustrating at the best of times, let alone when I'm half asleep.

We are so close to the start of the season, so I want to make sure I do what is required of me to get it to run because of the work everyone has put into it, but if you have another team who is interested in taking part next year please give them my place. We haven't even hit round one yet and I'm hating seeing the little notification pop up that there is chat in the forum that requires my attention.

As I've mentioned before, this is a game and if it feels onerous it has ceased to be a game for me. I don't agree with the level of detail around times - when we play Consolation Cup with the National teams Australia's games are ALWAYS played hours before everyone else and each round is stretched across almost the full 24-hour spread and yet it seems to work just fine. But if the majority of managers want to play it that way, so be it.
If we have too many games scheduled it is because I've tried to schedule them, stuffed up the time and rescheduled the game. In no way would it be to gain an edge - I mean, who would bother to do that? What would that say about your character as a person if you truly tried to run multiple games against another opponent to try and engineer a result to win a fantasy, online basketball match?

To me, running a Home Grown team is just somehting I've been doing for a long time to see if I could.
Once everyone has accepted the updated times I'll update the links and the season can play out then I'm out.

I both fully agree and understand, Deano25.

I can understand the vision of Deano25 but once the season will be started, I'm sure we'll be glad that it is meticulously organised so thank you for the hard work you produced Wagner ! Furthermore, maybe the "standards" you are creating for the league can be a part of the fun we'll have playing in it. It makes it more official.

Now let the HGL begin and good luck to everyone (party)

Thank you Coach Faz,
I'm very glad to hear some managers share my views on positive sides of creating and retaining some standards to HGL - I completely share that view with you, and I also totally agree that it can add to the fun aspect of it, as for me also it makes HGL feel more like "the real thing". Often times in life, the more you put into something, the more you can get in return.

As some might have already noticed, I have finalized a rule/penalties set for Season 1 of HGL, which consists of 4 posts; this one (326589.7) and 3 following posts (all titled "Additional rules and penalties for violations").

Please don't be intimidated by the word count, it is mainly due to conversatory nature of my writing style and actually introduces only few penalty levels. Also, as you can see, post 3/4 will not apply hardly any (or any) of us during Season 1, but it might be very useful information especially for new managers with small rosters considering joining HGL in the future.