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From: ig
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Date: 8/23/2019 7:54:01 PM
Jerusalem TET
Ligat Ha'al
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Second Team:
Jerusalem TET Utopia
I see replaying all the games on Wednesday without any obligations as the only right solution. All the games with not reset enthusiasm were meaningless in terms of a fair competition, so teams like Columbia should not feel inferior about this. Period.

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Date: 8/23/2019 7:54:32 PM
Ramat-Gan Billers
Ligat Ha'al
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Second Team:
Maccabi Ramat-Gan
As far as I know, based on the comments here and looking to game summaries, only two countries used crunch. I'm pretty sure you assumed the same, so to say you didn't name a nation when it can only refer for two nations? come on, give us some more credit.

Furthermore, the fact your team qualified doesn't make you an objective bystander to the situation. You would benefit from a disqualification of stronger opponents from the competition. Although strongly disagree, I believe you when you say you think that's the fair thing to do. But please, don't claim that the fact you already qualified makes you indifferent to the question who else going to qualify as well.

TBH - I don't think that there is a solution that will be fair to everyone. But I feel the solution Marin suggested is actually fairly good. Yes, it's far from perfect and there are some issues, but I found it fair because the rules and settings will be known to everyone before it'll start - so everyone will start on level terms. No one will get hurt for miss interpreting the situation.



From: ig

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Date: 8/23/2019 8:54:29 PM
Jerusalem TET
Ligat Ha'al
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Jerusalem TET Utopia
It's also a common sense

Sorry, but forcing teams to play the same way when the initial data is totally different is nonsense.

From: whitewind

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Date: 8/23/2019 9:06:59 PM
rimmers
ABBL
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491491
Second Team:
Redbacks
I agree. Columbia is a great team and the enthusiasm could have, or could not have played any part. Glad it is being looked at.

Does enthusiasm have a sublevel?

Does defense act the same under 1 enthusiasm vs 1 offense as it does 5 enthusiasm vs 5 offense? The results from this weeks various games indicate something was going on... the italy game is an example.


Last edited by whitewind at 8/24/2019 2:49:43 AM

From: Jay (OTT)

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Date: 8/24/2019 1:48:26 AM
Kira Kira Koseki
ABBL
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780780
Second Team:
Yubi Yubi
If it is true that Colombia really did have 1 enthusiasm also, ensuring that the match was fair, I'm okay with our result standing as much as I hate it. I just find it hard to believe this was actually the case when a team that is surely weaker on paper looking at the respective salaries, put up more or less similar ratings and had their way over our defence all game. Normal vs TIE isn't powerful enough on it's own to make up the difference, surely?

Last edited by Jay (OTT) at 8/24/2019 5:09:43 AM

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301047.52 in reply to 301047.44
Date: 8/24/2019 3:19:38 AM
Jambon Mogettes
III.1
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BTW: Nigeria Ent was 1. You miscouted us.

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Date: 8/24/2019 8:56:17 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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Second Team:
ChiLeaders
OK, we're going forward with the suggested solution. Wish me luck and fingers crossed I don't mess up something for good while doing this.

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Date: 8/24/2019 9:48:49 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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Second Team:
ChiLeaders
The matches have been reset and postponed to Wednesday. Let me know if you notice anything wrong. Good luck to all!

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301047.56 in reply to 301047.51
Date: 8/24/2019 10:14:12 AM
Leones del Cinaruco
II.1
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27092709
If it is true that Colombia really did have 1 enthusiasm also, ensuring that the match was fair, I'm okay with our result standing as much as I hate it.


Yes, It's true.
I just find it hard to believe this was actually the case when a team that is surely weaker on paper looking at the respective salaries, put up more or less similar ratings and had their way over our defence all game.


As you said: "in paper". Strategies are part of the game too and my friend, a high salary doesn't mean a better player. There is a way to prove it if both managers wish it: showing the rosters + tactics used + TIE vs Normal

Normal vs TIE isn't powerful enough on it's own to make up the difference, surely?


At similar situation (same game shape, same enthusiasm level) give a plus... It's not so difficult to believe...

I strongly believe that a rematch with same rosters, tactics and enthusiasm is the best solution. In the worst scenario a rematch only with same players and tactics.

Last edited by GM-Kareem at 8/24/2019 10:14:57 AM

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