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As for league rules, yet we try to keep them somewhat simple, everyone can just see Buzzerbeater official rules and you'll notice it contains multiple pages of worth information (and actually lacks many unwritten nuances, that I've had to hunt from the forums, which I've found very unhandy and unnecessarily difficult in many cases). And as many basic rules of BB leagues can be applied to homegrown league, not everything needs to be written from zero so to speak.

But as far as an original definition of homegrown team goes (which is applied to this forthcoming homegrown teams league as well) it is technically also possible having bought back your own draftee and still be counted as a homegrown team.
This, in some way could create situations in where a teams "salary rating" has been raised by hundreds of thousands of dollars by purchasing back players that he/she has sold before when they had a lower salary. I do not mention this following suggestion because I'd think we'd need to exclude such teams from the homegrown league; I still think we can and should welcome such teams.

However, having said that, there is of course a questionable side in this, as some purists would say. I think if you've gained more salary by purchasing back your own draftees (selling when salary was lower than when you purchased them back), then for the sake of openness and fairness I think we could/should make some kind of compilation/table/information page of all teams together (in one table) into which we sum up some essential information such as certain team wages (for instance top 8 or top 12 players salaries), and into that table add for example following symbols:

+++++ = team has never purchased any players
++++ = team has never purchased other players than their own draftees and has not gained a current salary advantage with such purchases
+++ = team has never purchased other players than their own draftees and/or players of their teams nationality
++ = team has purchased players before, but is now fully homegrown (as per Eliocroca CB's manager LOPO_s' original definition - or we could add a link to MrJs' article too) and has not received a current salary benefit by buying own draftees back
+ = team has purchased players before, but is now fully homegrown (as per Eliocroca CB's manager LOPO_s' original definition of homegrown - or we could add a link to a MrJs' article too) but has received a current salary benefit by buying own draftees back. In this case, the amount of benefit in $ would be mentioned in parenthesis after a + sign.

For instance, you've initially sold 3 players with total wages of $15000, and now buy them back and their total salary is $215000, so by your team in that table there would read "+ ($200000).
I think this would be very welcoming addition, so that everyone can see with a one glance which kind of former strategy each one of us have chosen, and most importantly, whether or not we have received a salary (read: skill) benefits by purchasing back our own draftees. :)

Speaking of forum threads, I was thinking that we might have quite a lot of discussion during each season, so would you guys (also rest of you HG managers, not only Paul George and MrJ) also think we should open a new thread for every forthcoming season so that it might be easier to find information/discussions for non-supporters, as search function is not available for non-supporters?

I think having a new thread for each season is an excellent idea for the reasons mentioned. Not only do I think it is a great idea, it might be the right time (now...or very soon) to start this Season 67 HG Discussion thread.

It could serve a few purposes:

1. Allow for a poll in it's creation to decide on the name of the league. (we can use the names put forward so far and any others that a forwarded in an immediate time-frame).
2. This current thread is getting long and a new one---which starts with a name poll---would likely engage more managers too. (We can continue to use this this current thread to finalise rules & penalties)
3. Given that we are not including lots of game results and discussion in the Season 67 HG Discussion thread as the games don't commence until next season, this new thread could begin with:

1. Name of the League poll (easy to do)
2. What it means to be HG (ready to be linked)
3. How to use PU tokens (ready to be linked)
4. System of play being used (already decided - we just need to create a succinct page to link) (or cut and paste)
5. Rules & Penalties (tba)
6. List of teams competing in Season 1 (easy to create)

However, having said that, there is of course a questionable side in this, as some purists would say. I think if you've gained more salary by purchasing back your own draftees (selling when salary was lower than when you purchased them back), then for the sake of openness and fairness I think we could/should make some kind of compilation/table/information page of all teams together (in one table) into which we sum up some essential information such as certain team wages (for instance top 8 or top 12 players salaries), and into that table add for example following symbols:

+++++ = team has never purchased any players
++++ = team has never purchased other players than their own draftees and has not gained a current salary advantage with such purchases
+++ = team has never purchased other players than their own draftees and/or players of their teams nationality
++ = team has purchased players before, but is now fully homegrown (as per Eliocroca CB's manager LOPO_s' original definition - or we could add a link to MrJs' article too) and has not received a current salary benefit by buying own draftees back
+ = team has purchased players before, but is now fully homegrown (as per Eliocroca CB's manager LOPO_s' original definition of homegrown - or we could add a link to a MrJs' article too) but has received a current salary benefit by buying own draftees back. In this case, the amount of benefit in $ would be mentioned in parenthesis after a + sign.

For instance, you've initially sold 3 players with total wages of $15000, and now buy them back and their total salary is $215000, so by your team in that table there would read "+ ($200000).
I think this would be very welcoming addition, so that everyone can see with a one glance which kind of former strategy each one of us have chosen, and most importantly, whether or not we have received a salary (read: skill) benefits by purchasing back our own draftees.

Firstly, Wagner, I would like to thank you for all your time and effort regarding the planning of this league. You certainly are putting a lot of thought into what is needed.

Secondly, and with respect, I disagree with what you are suggesting regarding 'labelling' HG teams because of their purchases or lack of. For me, you are either HG or not. Simple. I think if we start adding all of these symbols (labels) then we are going to start creating 'classes' of HG teams. I think you would agree that this is not the best way to begin a new community.

I am not just saying this becuase I would have a '+' or '++' rating next to my team's name, but because I can't see how the labelling of teams in this manner would be a positive thing for our new league and community.

Yes, there is a small opportunity for teams to exploit the HG aspect in the way you have mentioned (increased salary by buying back previously sold/fired players), however, this would be more an exception than the rule. Furthermore, what is the real problem if this did occur more?

What are some scenarios:

A) A team deliberately, premeditatively, fires/sells players drafted regularly, then waits (seasons!) in the 'hope' of one day buying them back...to win more games?

I don't know about you, but if I adopted that strategy, how could I ever know when it might pay off...if ever!

B) A team happens to buy back a former player which increases their team's salaries and their chance of more wins in the HG League.

Again, why should such teams be labelled as different because they had the funds to improve their team within the definition of being HG?

I'm sure there are other scenarios, Wagner. But, again, I do not see how labelling teams in the manner you suggested, essentially creating 'classes' (never been good in RL historically) of HG teams, will add value to our newly created league.

These are my own opinions and I welcome constructive criticism.

Hello everyone, I can fill in for a season. I joined last season. I do not have supporter nor will I be able to. But my team is new and I haven't purchased anyone.

My team will not be good so if anyone else wants to join that's ok

Hello everyone, I can fill in for a season. I joined last season. I do not have supporter nor will I be able to. But my team is new and I haven't purchased anyone.

My team will not be good so if anyone else wants to join that's ok

Hello everyone, I can fill in for a season. I joined last season. I do not have supporter nor will I be able to. But my team is new and I haven't purchased anyone.

My team will not be good so if anyone else wants to join that's ok

Hi there, Big Chill.

Welcome!

You certainly are 100% HG having just arrived in BB, have ONLY the team gifted to you from BB, and never having bought or sold a player!

Can I ask if you are a returning player to BB or this is all new to you?

I'm new, but I have read in the forums to start on arena and gym.

In a way, homegrown team it's fun because it's the harder path and that's why you enjoy even small successes.

Sounds fun.

As Hadar noted...it's more fun.

BigChill, do you understand how the PU games work? These are what will be used for this upcoming competition. If you do not know what they are, or how to use them, can you please read up on them here (326327.1)