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Less than 3 hours to the start of HGL Season 3, and now it's time to publish some comparison data/tables from Season 3 teams!

Like was the case on Season 2, also now on Season 3 LennuK. from BC Eos has done us a big favor and calculated average salary and age information from HGL teams' Top8-players.
On Season 2 I made these comparison tables (here: (327516.63)) based on data provided by LennuK.
I plan to make similar tables during Season 3 when I have more time, so that data remains as easy to as possible to compare from Season to Season.

However, now that Season beginning is closing in, and as I got a permission from LennuK. to use this data and ready made comparison tables he provided to me (and therefore, to all of us), I'll publish them in this post.

In other words, all of this new Season 3 data and tables are created by him (and I'll copy them here "as is", apart from new "power"/"value" rankings of which explanation section I'll edit slightly), so again, big thanks to LennuK. from behalf of whole HGL community!

In this first table, teams are at the typical order based on "participating teams"-post (available on both Official Threads).

Team: Salary S2 -> Salary S3 (in 1000 $) | Salary change (%) | Age S2 -> Age S3 (y) | Age change (y)

Wagner College (WAG): 284 -> 316 | +11,3% | 29,4 -> 30,4 | +1,0
Les Gueux du Marais (LGM): 243 -> 266 | +9,5% | 27,1 -> 28,1 | +1,0
Elan Demars (ED): 306 -> 335 | +9,5% | 28,1 -> 28,3 | +0,2
BC Eos (EOS): 249 -> 391 | +57,0% | 23,3 -> 23,6 | +0,3
Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV): 370 -> 409 | +10,5 | 24,3 -> 25,3 | +1,0
Madrid Chotis (D): 236 -> 269 | +14,0% | 26,0 -> 27,0 | +1,0
WiMaOlca (WMO): 324 -> 347 | +7,1% | 27,9 -> 28,9 | +1,0
Rajdersi (RAJ): 342 -> 376 | +9,9% | 25,9 -> 26,5 | +0,6
Freccia Azzurra (FRE): 237 -> 262 | +10,5% | 25,1 -> 25,5 | +0,4
Hårdboll (HB): 477 -> 460 | -3.6% | 32,0 -> 31,1 | -0,9
Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS): 254 -> 368 | +44,9% | 22,6 -> 23,6 | +1,0
Suuret Muinaiset (SUM): 435 -> 453 | +4,1% | 26,0 -> 27,0 | +1,0
Virtus Portici (VPO): 473 -> 490 | +3,6% | 31,5 -> 30,0 | -1,5
Svätý Jur Snakers (HAD): 742 -> 845 | +13,9% | 30,0 -> 31,0 | +1,0
KK Stihija (KKS): 525 -> 567 | +8,0% | 25,5 -> 26,4 | +1,0
Club Trouville (TRO): 244 -> 275 | +12,7% | 27,4 -> 27,6 | +0,2

Even more HGL Season 3 data, calculated and these comparison tables made by LennuK. (BC Eos):

Top 5 teams of top-8 players’ salaries in Season 3:
1. Svätý Jur Snakers (845K)
2. KK Stihija (567K)
3. Virtus Portici (490K)
4. Hårdboll (460K)
5. Suuret Muinaiset (453K)

Top 5 of oldest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 3:
1. Hårdboll (31,1 y)
2. Svätý Jur Snakers (31,0 y)
3. Wagner College (30,4 y)
4. Virtus Portici (30,0 y)
5. WiMaOlca (28,9 y)

Top 5 of youngest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 3:
1./2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis & BC Eos (23,6 y)
3. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (25,3 y)
4. Freccia Azzurra (25,5 y)
5. KK Stihija (26,4 y)

Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 2 and Season 3 in absolute salary:
1. BC Eos (142K/57,0%)
2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (114K/44,9%)
3. Svätý Jur Snakers (103K/13,9%)
4. KK Stihija (42K/8,0%)
5. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (39K/10,5%)

Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 2 and Season 3 in relative salary:
1. BC Eos (57,0%/142K)
2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (44,9%/114K)
3. Madrid Chotis (14,0%/33K)
4. Svätý Jur Snakers (13,9%/103K)
5. Club Trouville (12,7%/31K)

Top 5 of teams getting younger (or less old, based on top-8 average ages) between Season 2 and Season 3:
1. Virtus Portici (-1,5 y)
2. Hårdboll (-0,9 y)
3./4. Elan Demars & Club Trouville (+0,2 y)
5. BC Eos (+0,3 y)


New-to-HGL statistical category, Team "power"/"value":

1. Svätý Jur Snakers (HAD): 27,3 [K & per y]
2. KK Stihija (KKS): 21,5
3. Suuret Muinaiset (SUM): 16,8
4. BC Eos (EOS): 16,6
5. Virtus Portici (VPO): 16,3
6. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV): 16,2
7. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS): 15,6
8. Hårdboll (HB): 14,8
9. Rajdersi (RAJ): 14,2
10. WiMaOlca (WMO): 12,0
11. Elan Demars (ED): 11,8
12. Wagner College (WAG): 10,4
13. Freccia Azzurra (FRE): 10,3
14. Club Trouville (TRO): 10,0 (higher in later decimal places than D)
15. Madrid Chotis (D): 10,0 (lower in later decimal places than TRO)
16. Les Gueux du Marais (LGM): 9,5

This is all-new category (yes, this also has been created and calculated by LennuK.) so it needs explanation. As he and I think, it'd be interesting to hear what you guys think of this new category; do you find it interesting and useful, and would you like to see this incorporated into a season to season stats gathering (and stats comparison) routine?

LennuK. wrote like this (permission for publication has been granted by him) about the "power/value" statistics:

I tried to think of other interesting parameters other than just salary and age, which would be interesting to monitor over the seasons. So, I looked into the relationship between the ages and salaries directly [...]
So, I looked at the parameter of top-8 salary sum divided by the top-8 average age to get a general parameter or a “power” ranking showing the salary to age ratio (in 1000$ per year of the average age), which could probably even be termed “value” of the players on the roster of a specific team. This by no means determines the actual value of the players in the top-8 of different teams, but is interesting to look at, when considering that a high salary and a young age are associated with a player that is actually valuable; hence the higher the described ratio is, the higher the “value” of a player would/should be. If you think such information could be interesting too, here comes the list of the HGL teams in Season 3 in the order of more to less “valuable” players in the top-8 considering their salary to age ratio.

Personally I find this very interesting statistics.
While no one stats category for which creation only 2 parameters have been used will reveal team "power/value" in itself completely, I really like this kind of initiative and work done to create content that´s genuinely informative (as LennuK. pointed, young age and high salary is a desirable combination).

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 6:07:37 AM

Speaking of stats, as we can see there are plenty of major changes that have taken place since Season 2, in terms of age but especially in terms of salaries.

Moving into Season 3, biggest salary winners (in relative salary) by far are BC Eos (57,0% increase) and Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (44,9% increase).

In these previous comparison tables (into which I refer to), teams that have made transfers during Season 2 have not been marked with asterisk or by other means so those transfers of course can have a significant effect on such percentages - this case, however, transfers have increased team salary value to some extent, but not massively. (I'll try to remember adding * after team names in my later team age and salary comparison tables, so that we could see if that change in either has been affected by transfers or has it taken place only "organically" through training).

As for those "salary winners", Monēta from LMS has been warning us for seasons, that his team will be very competitive soon, and I'm sure most would agree that Lielupes Melnās Sirdis will improve his records of 4W-11L from Season 2 and 3W-12L from Season 1, and also that BC Eos will improve his Season 2 record of 3 wins and 12 losses.

In terms of actual salary, Svätý Jur Snakers is getting closer and closer to that weekly 1 million mark (845K currently) in salaries - quite a daunting number for most of us his opponents, and I have no doubt they´re going after a medal once again on Season 3.

Despite being lower on top8 salaries, I think Virtus Portici (490K salaries) will likely give HAD a strong opponent on this season as well.

And if we compare top8-salaries alone, as you can see from above table, there are many high quality teams even above and just behind aforementioned teams in salaries: KK Stihija (567K), Hårdboll (460K), Suuret Muinaiset (453K), Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (409K), BC Eos (391K) and a defending Bronze medalist from Season 2, Rajdersi (376K).

So very interesting season ahead I think, and there will be a big fight for those top4-positions, which will guarantee a free ticket for team on Second Round of Playoffs.

On Season 3, there aren´t any teams that would be way, way back in salaries, so fight for last Playoff places could be a very tight one and decided at the end of the season. As for salaries, my team Wagner College holds "the last Playoff spot" with 316K salaries, but difference to lowest HGL salary team Freccia Azzurra (262K) isn't huge by any means.


As we were talking about stats, there in my opinion are several other stats categories that I can think of (but all of them I can't recall just now), that would be interesting to compare on season-to-season basis.
For instance average salary of:
- given seasons' all HGL teams
- top 4 teams
- teams ranked from 5th to 8th
- teams ranked from 9th to 12th
- teams ranked from 13th to 16th.

Also, if comparison in graph format would be available, such previous comparison could look neat in a graph.

As for graph-style comparison tables, it would be interesting to see team Regular Season winning-% (in that sense better than actual wins, if number of played matches will differ in forthcoming seasons) and salary development of team compared from season-to-season (we could have different colors for different teams - however, that might end up being a messy table given how many parameters it tries to represent, so being able to select and unselect teams in such table, or restrict number of teams in one given table would likely be necessary to make it more easily readable). Theoretically of course it'd be possible to create a separate graph table for each team (which would be very clear to follow), but it'd be plenty of work.

If not such graph table would be made available, then separate tables for salary development and league positions could partly fill that demand (of long term team following in terms of salary development and season-to-season team success).

I agree that such graph-based statistics over the seasons would look nice. If I have some spare time, I might look into it and try to create some of these. Though, I'm not sure, how we could distribute these stats to all of the HGL managers, I don't think, we would be able to send such graphs through the BB forum.

The first season I started with a win.. I think the goal for the season could be 50% wins. This season I will practice rebounding, I'm just afraid of what will happen to the salary.

I agree that such graph-based statistics over the seasons would look nice. If I have some spare time, I might look into it and try to create some of these. Though, I'm not sure, how we could distribute these stats to all of the HGL managers, I don't think, we would be able to send such graphs through the BB forum.

Alright, thanks very much! Yes, that's definitely a good question (distribution), as BB forums do not allow graphs.
Personally I've been reluctant to require using of cloud service links if one wants to access (any) HGL content, and that view still stands on my part.

One of the best long term solutions could be to create an own website for HGL, which would guarantee much more freedom anyway in terms of, well, everything, and make navigation even easier than nowadays.

But that's still on the very early drawing board, and thinking cap must be set deeper onto the head.

As far as I've searched so far, it's not totally simple to find ((and especially compare such services, in terms of finding best service provider given the low (or rather free) price requirements)) a great all-round solution (preferably with so called drag and drop-kind of UI, that doesn't require any coding) that would provide best possible user experience in terms of, well, many things.
Such as user experience, site usability in mobile mode (should there be lots of differences among service providers), UI and usability and reliability and security and price point (preferably free, but not the only important thing) from the "web page owner" standpoint, whether or not web page creator actually owns the page or not, domain availability/purchasing and price and it's connection to service provider (example: hgl.com or something else almost like that, or hgl.serviceprovidersnamehere.com) and so on.

I noticed some managers for instance have made team websites using Weebly, but as far as I searched, it hasn't only received positive feedback from users, so I might prefer to keep on looking for more optimal solution (having said that, I have no user experience from Weebly).

Season 3 has started, and league table posts have been updated for the first time this season (on both Official Threads)!

While only 2 matches were really tight on Round 1, some interesting box score facts can be found from other matches as well. And in terms of those 2 aforementioned matches, VIV recorded their first ever HGL win in an important match against SUM - a high quality opponent supposedly fighting for similar league positions (at the end of the Regular Season), so as we all likely remember, now that SUM is at 0 wins and 1 loss, they must find two more wins compared to VIV during rest of the Regular Season to surpass VIV at the ORSR (Official Regular Season Rankings, that are used to determine who will face who in Playoffs).

As you could predict from scoreboard, in box score teams (SUM and VIV) were fairly even. Per Bernhardsson from SUM was shooting the lights out especially beyond the arc (8 of 13, total of 42 points), but SUM left 8 points at the free throw line shooting only at 60% - shooting at least with 75% accuracy would've forced game to overtime.

LMS, as Moneta mentioned, opened their HGL with a win for the first time ever, by beating D by 6. Again, many things in box score were very even, but LMS were more proficient behind the 3-point arc with 7 made threes (.368 accuracy), while D's drive to the basket-strategy possibly limited their success rate from beyond the arc at 14,3% (only two made threes).

From other matches, I could pick many box scores to write about, but let´s choose WMO-HB this time:
Despite match being played in France (neutral court so no need to worry - and yes, I'm aware it doesn't affect anything but it's just an interesting exception), and despite WMO choosing quite optimal defense strategy compared to HB's offensive strategy, HB won by 13 at the end. Teams' box scores, however, weren't mirror images of themselves; WMO shot 22(!) more times than HB while also executing at much higher accuracy beyond the arc (WMO .407 and HB .231).
Why was the difference with FG attempts so big (to favor WMO by 22)?
HB was shooting from the charity stripe ridiculous 47 times - I can't recall many times when I've seen numbers like that in BB. As usual, HB was very strong (last season they shot FT's with 88,9% accuracy in their regular BB league) from the charity stripe, nailing 40 out of 47 attempts (.851 accuracy), and if nothing else, that sealed the deal for them.

As mentioned, many interesting details available on other box scores, but as time's limited, please check them yout yourself and please comment if you find some interesting statistics to write about. :)


Last edited by Wagner at 10/21/2025 7:35:56 AM

The first season I started with a win.. I think the goal for the season could be 50% wins. This season I will practice rebounding, I'm just afraid of what will happen to the salary.

Yes, congratulations Monēta - this is definitely a proof of a major change that has taken place in your player development, and as a young team, I have a feeling that you're not going to stop here... :)

I know your fear by experience - some skills are very expensive when certain levels are reached, and if my memory serves me, rebounding was one of those not so affordable ones.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/24/2025 6:24:34 PM

I'll create this post on Season 3 Thread, so that we can easily update the list of teams interested in HGL.
(This is basically edited post of this earlier post, here: (327516.86).)

Updateable listing of HGL teams that have confirmed their willingness to participate for Season 3 of HGL, which is played during this Buzzerbeater season (S70):

Team name (manager name), day of announcement

1. Wagner College (Wagner), May 4th, 2025 ++
2. Les Gueux du Marais (Coach Faz), May 4th
3. Elan Demars (demars), May 4th + (S4: Oct 24th 2025)
4. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (Monēta), May 4th ++
5. Svätý Jur Snakers (Hadár), May 4th
6. Madrid Chotis (Jotadoce), May 5th
7. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (kecal), 28th June, 2025 (S4: Oct 24th 2025) *NEW*
8. WiMaOlCa (WiMaOl), May 5th + (S4: Oct 24th 2025)
9. Club Trouville (Chucarro), May 6th ++
10. Suuret Muinaiset (cthulhu), May 9th
11. Rajdersi (Paul George), May 13th
12. Hårdboll (Spela), (first announce of interest on April 20th/latest confirmation on May 5th, 2025)
13. BC Eos (LennuK.), (May 5th, 2025) ++ (++: Oct 24th 2025)
14. Virtus Portici (SventraCanestri), (June 13th, 2025) ++
15. KK Stihija (Pihija), (June 14th,2025) ++ (++: Oct 24th 2025)
16. Freccia Azzurra (ned), June 13th

+=Participates also to Season 4.
++=Participates also to further Seasons (in addition to Season 4).

Teams playing in HGL Season 3, who have announced and confirmed they WILL NOT participate to Season 4 of HGL:
No such announcements (as of 23rd of October, 2025).


Possible new team additions/new candidates for Season 4 of HGL:
On this "Possible new team additions"-list I'll be from now on keeping a list of teams, who are interested in participating to Season 4 of HGL (which takes place during next Buzzerbeater season).

1. Alanurmon Rikkaat (M a k e), October 22nd, 2025 (interest announced originally on Aug 13th, 2025)


Other possibly interested teams (likely/possibly joining HGL later but currently preferred starting season hasn't been announced):

1. BC Homegrown (Dutch Farmer), original interest announced April 15th, 2025 ((324689.730))
2. San Antonio Gladiators (Enigma), June 25th
3. Social Security Kings (IKnowZip), July 30th, 2025


If you´re still not playing in HGL but wish to do so in the future, please let me know either by responding to this post or sending me a BBMail. When you do so, I'll add you to a list based on your preferred starting season.
However, this applies to current and new teams (currently not playing in HGL).
In other words, if you are already playing in HGL, please inform me of your interest to continue playing on next Season of HGL by the start of current Seasons' HGL playoffs, thank you.

Basically, personally I'd like to guarantee a place for all current teams playing in HGL for the next season as well, should they wish to continue playing in it, and I added "day of announcement" above mainly in the case new teams join and if we would need to restrict the amount of accepted new teams (due to sensible league size restrictions) and if we would then use 'day of announcement' as a critical decisive factor in deciding which new teams would be allowed to join.

This, however, hasn't been locked in as a selection method for new teams, as so far HGL has accepted HG teams based on 'first come, first serve'-basis. And when I think of it, if we have "too many" interested new teams wanting to join HGL (and simply couldn't accept them all - currently 'soft cap' might be somewhere around 18-20 teams per season, but that's still under discussion and we might be able to remove that soft cap in the future), then I think some kind of play-in type short league/playoffs structure (that would take place during Season 3 HGL Playoffs) between these teams would be preferable in that case to determine participation rights for new teams.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/24/2025 5:46:29 PM

More good news for HGL, as I just yesterday received a confirmation from M a k e (Alanurmon Rikkaat, team page: (59111)) that they are interested in participating to Season 4 of HGL!

So if no further changes occur and all current managers continue on Season 4 as well, we're going to have 17 teams playing on Season 4.
(I wouldn't mind finding one more though for Season 4, as then every team would play every week of the Season 4)!

They have a young, hungry and developing team, with Top8-players salary of $148937 and those players' average age during HGL Season 3 is 24,9 years.

So should they have participated already to HGL on Season 3, they would've been last in top8-salary rankings with $148K (currently HGL's 16th top8-salary ranked team pays $262K weekly to their top8), but it's definitely noticeable that they would've also been the third youngest team in the whole league!
(It'll be interesting to compare next Seasons' values to these, to see how his team progresses from this Season to next - with such a young team there's a lot of developing potential waiting to be used).

In addition to these aforementioned top8-salary players they do have 20yo. MVP-potential player (with current $7491 salary) and 19yo. MVP ($5720), and their heights (206cm and 193cm, respectively) leaves lots of choices possible in terms of training choices/player development, and means they have quality material from which to develop both inside and outside threats for the future.

Welcome already beforehand, M a k e, on my behalf to HGL on Season 4 - naturally, I'm very glad to see a third Finnish team in HGL, and I have a strong feeling that cthulhu (from Suuret Muinaiset) and also other current HGL managers gladly welcome you aboard!

Last edited by Wagner at 10/23/2025 7:32:58 AM