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Eliminate bonus from inside/outside

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309054.1
Date: 04/08/2021 08:39:08
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People complained about dominance of look inside tactic.
3 pt percentage has been raised, and now there is no so big a dominance.
But still, neutral tactics, except in some cases reverse patient, are unplayable.

Here is the more simple, logical, realistic and natural way to address this:
Eliminate the bonus in the inside/outside shots coming from playing a inside/outside tactic.

Let's see. You have strong inside attackers and/or your opponents defense is weak. So you want to take more inside shots than normal. Fine. You play an inside tactic and you get more shots from inside.

But, why should those shots get an improved percentage compared to a normal tactic? I mean, you are in a sense forcing those shots. You are taking more inside shots that you would take playing neutral. So those somewhat forced shot won't get more likely to go in. Maybe even the probability of making those shots should be a little bit less, not higher.

So, eliminate that bonus, and problem solved. You get what should get from inside/outside tactics and at the same time, you can play neutral tactics again.

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309054.2 in reply to 309054.1
Date: 04/08/2021 09:13:10
Roter Stern Stuttgart
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But, why should those shots get an improved percentage compared to a normal tactic?


I did not know, this is the case. Is it?

In my experience (yet I am in my third season after a 6-7 year abcense) neutral tactics (given the isos are also neutral) seem to work at least for my lvl of competition... I use it e.g. for attacking a known weak defender.

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309054.3 in reply to 309054.2
Date: 04/08/2021 09:19:11
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Yes, you can see a big boost in the team ratings. And that boost in accompanied (caused or correlated would be another debate) by an increase of shot percentage.

Just compare the ratings of a same team when it plays inside and outside tactics. It is big.

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309054.5 in reply to 309054.3
Date: 04/08/2021 09:26:48
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Of course there is a boost for inside-scoring by let's say playing LI. But it weakens the outside shot on the other hand... It's still about matchups.

But maybe I miss your point because a lack of experience

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309054.6 in reply to 309054.5
Date: 04/08/2021 09:30:46
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Of course there is a boost for inside-scoring by let's say playing LI. But it weakens the outside shot on the other hand... It's still about matchups.
Yes, but you are at the same time making more inside shots and with higher expected success. Those two effects multiply.
More inside shots with more expected success has more effect on the final result than less expected success to a diminished number of outside shots. The reversed reasoning goes for outside tactics.

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309054.8 in reply to 309054.7
Date: 04/08/2021 09:38:28
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I think you are not correct. I think that the chances of every type of shot are pretty much fixed for every tactic. And not only inside vs outside. I mean every type of the around 20 type of shots that there exist.

You can test that on a irrelevant game. Play with 5 centers (or 5 shooters) and play an outside (inside) tactic. You will see.