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THere was a ban or two in there, not shooting for anything LOL.

I'm not sure which version of the training simulator you are using but the first one was dedicated to me, had that written on like the first page. Some people really need to consider who they are talking to. I mean I didn't deserve the dedication but I was flattered at the time for sures.

To suggest someone who was VERY involved in those early projects to the point of having a dedication doesn't know what he is talking about.

Let me break it down for you- In terms of skill DISTRIBUTION let's compare a ....

1 IS and 7 RB PG versus a 7 IS and 1 RB guard

What is the difference in list price/value?
What is the difference in training time to get (if wasn't just drafted that way)?
What is the difference in value/price of draftee starting at those skill sets at 18 with short height?
What is the salary of these players?
What is the POTENTIAL CAP HIT of these stats??

So YES if you TRAIN HORRIBLY you can cap with a level 4 trainer. These things will be true of their player-


THey will CAP EARLY compared to TSP because of bad distribution
THey will have a HIGH SALARY compared to CAP and production
They will have lower overall TSP, with high primaries and low FREE offskills- because they will not be balanced for efficiency.


IF you try to train a short player with in SB, ID, IS with a level 4 trainer it will go VERY VERY slow.

If you just train PA, JS, OD yea you'll cap that piece of crap player no problem. The player won't have 9+ IS, or 9+ ID/SB either. He'll be garbage. NO JR either. Yea take JR out so you can make your awesome crap players.

Now if you use an L7 you can make players like this or better

16 14
19 15
15 13
12 12
3 10


You won't get that with an L4. YOu can lie and say you did. But you won't. What you make with the crummy l4s is more like this

17 9
15 18
19 14
6 5
7 2

Cuz you are goofs and don't understand that some skills train faster because they are less valuable and if you want GOOD players with GOOD skills for salary you use higher level trainers.

With an L4 shoot for more of a star level skill lets. You definitely don't need Pallstar that's for sure. Allstars are cheap enough. so allstar is fine too.

Yes I'd like to see the skill sets and explain to you how you can get more efficiency and production for lower cap hits, lower salary etc.
But harder training because it will be more out of position and slower training skills than the generic cookie cutter OK in LI unless the opponent also knows how to train OD and IS...in which case you lose unless you also know how to train efficient players for this game engine which favors certain skills over others and the salary formula is extremely important to success.....

You don't necessarily need to between trianing and playing the market, you really can do both neither excludes the other. The point is you will make the biggest gains from the market and probably lose in your training, as you have done. Maybe lose in both, as it seems perhaps you are destined to do and stay in a lower division for live??? Probably.

This thread is about proof, evidence and facts. Logic, reason.

Not just talking talking and making false claim after false claim based on name-calling and so forth. Actual facts. Got any?

No.

Goodbye hopefully.

getting 3 48s is not guaranteed.

True, injuries cannot be avoided. Fouling out can be by switching those weeks to 2-position training and setting players correctly to depth chart.

What do we estimate the cost of a 54 TSP 18y/o with some potential at?

HoF is potential, but 54 is good but not world class draft, also skill distribution was not optimal. Personally 1M feels appropriate price, but as said, can be less/more depends on luck.
Drafting price: 20k/week.

So are all 3 of your players worth 3.2 million???

Not even close due to low potential, superstar potential will cap very soon....

So where is that TPE at?

No TPE. Training for NT, not going to share skills.

what did you lose in advancement/income to lose those games while training 3 players out of position every week like clockwork for 48s to divide that trainer salary in 3.

Currently I'm playing in lowest division against bot-teams, keeping team alive, training for U21, NT and for own fun. So playing with trainees in what ever position doesn't make a difference.

PS. I'm fighting against hoarding tax so I dont care incomes so much....

You've chosen not to compete with your team legitimately and just farm players. You are not playing the game competitively. Your team is not a real team, it is a NT farm.

I don't mean this as an attack, just stating what is.

People need to realize that this is the primary reason that trainee with higher potentials cost on list is inflated (mostly from precedent over demand) why trainer buy prices and salaries are jacked up etc. etc.

With the new arena expansion options (with maintenance) and the new staffs...

You can now spend ridiculous amounts more to jack up your secondary pops, your FTs, your Stamina and boost them youth trainees through the first couple seasons to really make monsters at ridiculous costs!!!

This is gonna change the game even more. So you'll not need to worry about hoarding tax now- you can buy out all those arena expansions... get your medical up and running to to deal with injured guys super fast.

L7 doc, L7 youth trianer, L7 nutrition. full medical, full practice court, full training facility...and l7 trainer...

Those are gonna be some super trainees.. 160 TSP maybe more on the AtG if someone drafts one and does the full investment.

mwahaha LOL

WHY would you spend money on potential you DON'T NEED

You are in a very low division, you can never pay those higher potential cap salaries anyway.

Again WHY pay for high potential you know it costs more??!?!?!?!

Complete lack of logical informed understanding of how to compete in a managment game. It's about season on season, year on year development. It's like a 500 lap car race. How you burn the tire rubber, how you use your fuel, the air drag and .0001 seconds shaved on every corner all adds up to that single car-length advantage at the end of the race.

Who are we kidding though you'll yo-yo Div.III/IV until enough people quit the game (maybe at 4 digit user mark)...for you to be in div.II by default.

Remind us of your previous teams. I gotta think you were a previous b3 champ or something, otherwise your stance in this conversation is down right disturbing. You talking about humility and that, with a plank in your eye.

THat's better. Sorry I didn't remember. A lot of snarks and I don't really bother remembering them.

If you can get the same skills on a higher potential for a similar price...why not?

I'll admit I do not follow trainee prices that closely. At the end of the day you can pay 1/10th of what you might if you shot well...this is SO true of trainees.

I would shoot for a 60 TSP start at 18. At least 55+ start. You will have trouble I believe finding that cheap P.allstar and above. For a star of allstar though its not that hard.

Now beyond the TSP total is the skills by height- and starting with skills that train slow. So it's the distribution. Now here again price will go up sharply for a P.allstar. At star/allstar level much much cheaper.

If you are training with a slower trainer those extra pops are worth EVEN MORE.

So those 5 pops extra (60 versus 55 for example) are worth an entire season of training really.

And again by distribution. I want guys under 6'4'' as close to this as possible-

3 7
7 7
7 7
7 7
1 7

For guys over 6'10 I want this

4 7
7 7
7 7
3 4
7 7

So that's easier to get ideal skills if you can take the lower potentials if you are gonna train slow anyway. If cap gets close ,train secondaries and be efficient wiht the player not just jack salary for no reason.