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The strength of a league isn't measured by its top team or its top 3-4 teams. I'd go by average bbstats put on the field on average by all teams. Clearly even if you have 3-4 elite teams and the others suck, your league probably shouldn't be called "the top" league and at the very least it would not be the most competitive league. I could make the calculation but I have no interest in doing so, not in the short term, as it's time consuming.

Also note that having tanking teams or teams noticeably weaker than the top 3-4 makes a league significantly easier as it's easier to build enth and GS since you can often field suboptimal lineups against the weaker teams and get perfect minutes without risking any loss. So in addition to average bbstats in the league you should use the variance and standard deviation of those numbers (i.e. a league with 160 average and 50 standard deviation, may be significantly easier than one with 155 average and 10 standard deviation).

All considered, if I had to guess, i'd say that one of Utopia's top 4 leagues is actually the hardest league currently in BB.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/20/2014 04:55:22

For example,
match with Vottem Cowboys (75271318) neutral site (2xovertime)
Vottem is very good team, JoeMaverick is very very good manager - World Rank: 2 in this moment

One day later the same settings (75271358) neutral site
Spojnia isn't in the top three Polish teams - World Rank: 154


Last edited by darkonza at 10/20/2014 05:30:34

Yeah and you also have these games:
(75361719) (playoff)
(75361720) (playoff)
(72824157) (#1v#2)
(72824118) (#1v#2)
(72824118) (#1v#2)
Just picking randomly games with high point differential between top ranked teams.

Also apparently in the NBBA you can relegate directly with a 10-12 record:
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/1/overview.aspx?season=28

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/20/2014 06:32:23

In all leagues are poor matches and poor teams.
So? What you show?

Show me the league with semi-finalist B3 loses Tournement and play-off
Show me a team that wins with a very strong team in B3 and is weak in his country


Last edited by darkonza at 10/20/2014 07:30:36

I've shown you matches between 2 of the top-4 (at the time) teams in your league from last season. Team ranked #1 against a team ranked #2. I've also shown you that in the NBBA with 10 wins you would have demoted directly.

It looks to me that Poland does have better top teams (let's say the top 3-4), but not necessarily the hardest overall league, if teams ranked #2 actually throw their games against teams ranked #1. A league where the top team loses to teams ranked #5-#8 when playing a substandard lineup is a harder league to be in. Certainly Poland's does not seem to be the most "balanced" D1 league in BB.

So you have to decide what top league means for you: do you want to take the top-4 teams and check which country has the best 4 top teams? Do you want to consider where on average you have the best 16 teams? Or do you want to check which D1 league has the lowest difference between all teams?

I think you may well be right in that, if you only consider the top 4 teams, Poland's top league might be the best league in BB. Would you still claim the same if you include all the 16 league teams?



Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/21/2014 06:00:07

It looks to me that Poland does have better top teams (let's say the top 3-4), but not necessarily the hardest overall league

Ok

If we see world rang list of clubs (TOP 25) we can see next:
2 teams from Poland, Germany and Bulgaria. 6 clubs from this three countries, teams from Poland have the best rank (first end seventh team in world). If we look this TOP 3 leagues in world are Polska Liga Koszykówki, Bundesliga, A Grupa.
But I think better is to look salaries in leagues. That is easy to calculate on BBStats and I will do that maybe this evening :)

Yes, you're right
I forgot
Luis García de Veas had too many minutes, but if I play LI sometimes resign one PG/SG (Tronco or Garcia de Veas) for more minutes my PFs
Example my last game season 28 (75609713) - i play without Tronco
Garcia de Veas FG 1/8 in this game

So you're right, I played a little different with you, but that does not mean that I was stronger in this game!
Probably I was stronger against Spójnia (only for with LI/LP and against LI/LP)
I think so, because my final last game (only this match with LI in final) I played without one PG


Last edited by darkonza at 10/20/2014 10:28:35