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Guesses:
Team Training
Form:
Trains Practice this week @ ?

Free Throws:
Trains FT @ 2 weeks

Stamina:
Trains ST @ 1-2 weeks

Pressure
PG:
Trains OD @ 2 weeks
Trains ID @ 8+
Trains HN @ 8+
Trains DV @ 8+

PG/SG:
Trains OD @ 3-4 weeks
Trains ID @ 7-8 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks

PG/SG/SF:
Trains OD @ 4-5 weeks
Trains ID @ ?
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?

Shotblocking
C:
Trains SB @ 1-2 weeks
Trains ID @ ?
Trains RB @ ?

C/PF:
Trains SB @ 2-3 weeks
Trains ID @ 7-8 weeks
Trains RB @ 7-8 weeks

C/PF/SF:
Trains SB @ ?
Trains ID @ ?
Trains RB @ ?

Inside Defense
C:
Trains ID @ 1-2 weeks
Trains DV @ ?
Trains IS @ ?
Trains SB @ ?

C/PF:
Trains ID @ 2-3 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks
Trains IS @ 7-8 weeks
Trains SB @ 7-8 weeks

C/PF/SF:
Trains ID @ ?
Trains DV @ ?
Trains IS @ ?
Trains SB @ ?

Rebounding
C/PF:
Trains RB @ 1.75 weeks (~2.5 weeks for a 24 year old)
Trains ID @ 7-8 weeks
Trains IS @ 7-8 weeks

Team:
Trains RB @ ?
Trains ID @ ?
Trains IS @ ?

Inside Scoring
C:
Trains IS @ 1-2 weeks
Trains ID @ ?
Trains JS @ ?

C/PF:
Trains IS @ 2-3 weeks
Trains ID @ 7-8 weeks
Trains JS @ 7-8 weeks

C/PF/SF:
Trains IS @ ?
Trains ID @ ?
Trains JS @ ?

One on One
Guards:
Trains DV @ 2-3 weeks
Trains HN @ 3-4 weeks
Trains JS @ 3-4 weeks

Forwards:
Trains DV @ 1.8 weeks
Trains HN @ 2.3 weeks
Trains IS @ 4-5 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-5 weeks

Team:
Trains DV @ ?
Trains HN @ ?
Trains IS @ ?
Trains JS @ ?

Outside Shooting
SG:
Trains JR @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-6 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks

With level 7 trainer:
Trains JR @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-6 weeks
Trains DV @ 8-9 weeks
Trains HN @ 8-9 weeks

PG/SG:
Trains JR @ 3-4 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-5 weeks
Trains DV @ ?
Trains HN @ ?

Team:
Trains JR @ ?
Trains JS @ ?
Trains DV @ ?
Trains HN @ ?

Jump Shot
Guards:
Trains JS @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JR @ 7-8 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks

Forwards:
Trains JS @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JR @ 7-8 weeks
Trains IS @ 7-8 weeks

Wingmen:
Trains JS @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JR @ 7-8 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks
Trians IS @ 7-8 weeks

Team:
Trains JS @ ?
Trains JR @ ?
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?
Trains IS @ ?

Ball Handling
PG:
Trains HN @ 1-2 weeks
Trains DV @ ?
Trains OD @ ?

PG/SG:
Trains HN @ 2-3 weeks
Trains DV @ 3-4 weeks
Trains OD @ 7-8 weeks

PG/SG/SF:
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?
Trains OD @ ?

Passing
PG:
Trains PS @ 1-2 weeks
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?

PG/SG:
Trains PS @ 2-3 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks

Team:
Trains PS @ ?
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?

Point Guard
(1) Handling, Passing
(2) Outside Defense, Driving
(3) Jump Shot, Jump Range, Inside Shot

Shooting Guard
(1) Jump Shot, Jump Range
(2) Handling, Passing,
(3) Driving, Outside Defense, Inside Shot

Small Forward
(1) Jump Shot, Jump Range, Outside Defense
(2) Handling, Passing, Driving
(3) Inside Shot, Inside Defense
(4) Rebounding

Power Forward
(1) Inside Shot, Inside Defense
(2) Rebounds, Blocks
(3) Driving, Passing
(4) Jump Shot, Handling

Center
(1) Inside Shot, Inside Defense, Rebounds
(2) Blocks
(3) Handling, Passing

De där listorna har jag sparat, och den första listan uppdateras eftersom i globala forumet. Så de är bra att ha ;)

Bra tråd. Det kan ju vara smart att länka till ursprungsinläggen också. då får vi en tråd som samlar guldkornen.

Sökfunktionen har förbättrats och jag utnyttjar det till att uppgradera listan och byter samtidigt till en lämpligare tråd:

perennial allstar (7): $ 111 220 (4598859)
allstar (6): $ 82 580 (2540192)
star (5): $ 43 880 (4786157)
starter (4): $ 26 161
6th man (3): $ 14 818
role player (2): $ 11 474
bench warmer (1): $ 6 392

Klipper in de tre spelarnas egenskaper, eftersom det kan vara bra att ha som referens (jag tror inte att perennial är färdigtränad).

Kudret Solin (4598859) Center
Owner:
stars

Weekly salary:
$ 111 220
DMI: 375000
Age: 21
Height: 7'1" / 216 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: awful Handling: awful
Driving: pitiful Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: wondrous Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: stupendous Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: proficient

Peter Hallborn (2540192)
Center
Owner:
Retired

Weekly salary:
$ 82 580
DMI: 355700
Age: 23
Height: 7'1" / 216 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: strong
Driving: inept Passing: inept
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: average

Moreno Husser (4786157)
Center
Owner:
Retired

Weekly salary:
$ 43 880
DMI: 158200
Age: 21
Height: 7'3" / 221 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: mediocre
Driving: atrocious Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: prolific Shot Blocking: proficient
Stamina: awful Free Throw: inept

Du vill alltså visa hur högt man kan träna de olika potentialerna? Som du säger så kanske de inte är färdigtränade, eller vet du om de nått taket?

Skulle vara intressant om de går att träna lika högt på varje förmåga eller om det är inside-förmågorna som har ett tak för inside-spelare? För jag har ju börjat träna en mot en och får andra förmågor på mina inside-spelare. Kommer de då ha ett max tak på dessa förmågor som är annorlunda jämfört med inside-förmågorna? Eller är max taket på alla förmågor samma eller är det kanske så att man har ett X antal steg som en spelare kan höja sig totalt på alla förmågor tillsammans?

Hoppas du förstår vad jag menar!

Jag tror alla utom han som är perennial all star ligger nära vad som är "max". Eftersom det är ett mjukt tak så går det säkert att gå förbi "max", men då går det väldigt långsamt.

Jag tror inte att taket ligger på en specifik förmåga utan att den kopplas till lönen (eller något liknande). Lönen sätts vad jag förstår utifrån den bästa egenskapen, så det är lönemässigt dyrare att träna relaterade egenskaper. Dvs om en Center höjer t.ex. sin inside shot, så tror jag att lönen ökar mer än om han höjer sin jump shot.

Jag uppdaterar lite:

perennial allstar (7): $ 111 220 (4598859)
allstar (6): $ 85 679 (802221)
star (5): $ 43 880 (4786157)
starter (4): $ 26 161
6th man (3): $ 15 062 (4705359)
role player (2): $ 11 474
bench warmer (1): $ 6 392


Last edited by chespirito at 05/02/2009 08:53:05

Tack Janne! Jag har själv försökt titta hur hög lönen är på olika potentialer, bland annat Hall of Fame, men det finns för lite utbud just i det fallet!

Jag hittade lite löneformler som kan vara bra att ha (46657.42):

The salary formulas (approximation)

salary(C)=1.139^IS*1.131^ID*1.13^RB*1.071^BL*294

salary(PF)=1.07^JS*1.005^HA*1.001^DR*1.005^PA*1.114^IS*
__________1.112^ID*1.104^RB*1.054^BL*341

salary(SF)=1.181^JS*1.08^JR*1.057^OD*1.001^HA*1.057^ID*
__________1.083^RB*1.008^BL*334

salary(SG)=1.124^JS*1.11^JR*1.114^OD*1.011^HA*1.007^DR*1.006^PA*1.007^IS*
__________1.009^ID*1.064^RB*361

salary(PG)=1.033^JS*1.051^JR*1.079^OD*1.082^HA*1.035^DR*1.133^PA*
__________1.001^IS*1.033^RB*331

salary = max salary(x)
recommended position = argmax(x) salary(x)

--
UPDATE 2008/11/28

Here is a slightly improved version of the coefficients:

___JS___JR___OD___HA___ DR___PA___IS___ID___RB___BL___const
C_ 1,000 1,000 1,006 1,003 1,000 1,000 1,133 1,134 1,128 1,069 294
PF 1,074 1,003 1,005 1,000 1,007 1,006 1,108 1,117 1,109 1,063 300
SF 1,179 1,082 1,061 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,001 1,061 1,091 1,004 313
SG 1,119 1,138 1,115 1,008 1,013 1,000 1,000 1,007 1,057 1,008 322
PG 1,031 1,044 1,075 1,079 1,038 1,144 1,000 1,000 1,036 1,000 330

These coefficients were determined based on 366 players from the transfer list (59 Cs, 69 PFs, 111 SFs, 64 SGs, 63 PGs). Average deviation from real salary on the training data is 5%, recommended position is predicted correctly for 89.6% of players.

--
UPDATE 2008/11/29

Here are two new versions, one for the people who don't believe in ST, FT and EX for salary, and one for those who do. The prediction difference is minimal.

___JS___JR___OD___HA___ DR___PA___IS___ID___RB___BL___const
C_ 1,000 1,000 1,008 1,004 1,000 1,000 1,130 1,137 1,129 1,063 298
PF 1,071 1,005 1,006 1,001 1,007 1,006 1,110 1,117 1,110 1,065 295
SF 1,179 1,077 1,066 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,059 1,090 1,002 322
SG 1,116 1,149 1,115 1,006 1,013 1,000 1,000 1,004 1,061 1,005 307
PG 1,028 1,041 1,078 1,079 1,039 1,152 1,002 1,000 1,037 1,000 310

___JS___JR___OD___HA___ DR___PA___IS___ID___RB___BL___ST___FT___EX___const
C_ 1,000 1,000 1,008 1,002 1,000 1,000 1,129 1,138 1,130 1,064 1,000 1,003 1,000 293
PF 1,071 1,000 1,008 1,000 1,000 1,007 1,114 1,116 1,110 1,067 1,008 1,000 1,008 277
SF 1,177 1,080 1,068 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,000 1,058 1,088 1,002 1,001 1,000 1,006 315
SG 1,115 1,142 1,120 1,005 1,016 1,001 1,000 1,001 1,064 1,001 1,008 1,005 1,003 295
PG 1,027 1,044 1,078 1,080 1,040 1,152 1,002 1,000 1,035 1,000 1,004 1,000 1,000 300