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301047.52 in reply to 301047.44
Date: 8/24/2019 3:19:38 AM
Jambon Mogettes
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BTW: Nigeria Ent was 1. You miscouted us.

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301047.53 in reply to 301047.52
Date: 8/24/2019 8:56:17 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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ChiLeaders
OK, we're going forward with the suggested solution. Wish me luck and fingers crossed I don't mess up something for good while doing this.

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301047.54 in reply to 301047.53
Date: 8/24/2019 9:48:49 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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ChiLeaders
The matches have been reset and postponed to Wednesday. Let me know if you notice anything wrong. Good luck to all!

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301047.56 in reply to 301047.51
Date: 8/24/2019 10:14:12 AM
Leones del Cinaruco
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If it is true that Colombia really did have 1 enthusiasm also, ensuring that the match was fair, I'm okay with our result standing as much as I hate it.


Yes, It's true.
I just find it hard to believe this was actually the case when a team that is surely weaker on paper looking at the respective salaries, put up more or less similar ratings and had their way over our defence all game.


As you said: "in paper". Strategies are part of the game too and my friend, a high salary doesn't mean a better player. There is a way to prove it if both managers wish it: showing the rosters + tactics used + TIE vs Normal

Normal vs TIE isn't powerful enough on it's own to make up the difference, surely?


At similar situation (same game shape, same enthusiasm level) give a plus... It's not so difficult to believe...

I strongly believe that a rematch with same rosters, tactics and enthusiasm is the best solution. In the worst scenario a rematch only with same players and tactics.

Last edited by GM-Kareem at 8/24/2019 10:14:57 AM

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301047.58 in reply to 301047.57
Date: 8/24/2019 11:25:50 AM
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I agree. Marin's suggestion was the best.

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301047.59 in reply to 301047.57
Date: 8/24/2019 12:57:24 PM
Leones del Cinaruco
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Not to me. In my opinion, same players and strategies will be a more fairly decision. After all the problem was only the enthusiasm but now you have to add players' GS. So the minimal impact will be to play again with same players and strategies...

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301047.61 in reply to 301047.60
Date: 8/25/2019 12:59:44 AM
Torniquetes Jumpers
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Well, after all this discusion, i think decision taken by Marin is the fairest.

As we said before, every decision will harm someone, but the fair here is repeat the games in normal conditions no matter what the score was on last monday, because that score is only a mirage created by an anormal situation.

Who won have to show they can do it again with a real enthusiasm, and who lose have a new chance to try it and now without excuses.


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301047.62 in reply to 301047.60
Date: 8/25/2019 3:11:59 AM
Tamarillo Wings
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Slam Drunk Celtics

If I had been an U21 coach in these Repechages, surely I would have check the enthusiasm all the monday, and I surely used CT if my TS was at 1.


I personally disagree.

At the end of the day rules are clear. The reset should have been in place before the beginning of the repechage and all coaches were supposed to give credit to rules and act accordingly. This bug was not a delay in standings or something, it's a bug that would have been certainly fixed because was falsifying results. Whether or not we were supposed to be involved in the decision is unclear, Marin could have even replayed matches with the proper ts and the same lineup automatically. It's a bet trying to act differently from what it's written in the rules, and rules are straight and simple about that.

Unfortunately, Marin was not able to work on the problem immediately because of his holidays etc, now of course things are different because of GS, the order of games etc. and it would be pretty unfair replaying everything with same lineup and enthusiasm and that's obvious.
However, if we would have replayed games last Wednesday...

Last edited by GM-samusaran (ITA-Staff) at 8/25/2019 3:22:11 AM

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