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Round 3 on Season 3 again offered us some treats in terms of close match and interesting box scores.

demars and LennuK. already provided us some analysis on their matches. As for Hårdboll's free throws - and I'm sure most of us would agree in addition to demars who was proving this yesterday - you'd need a huge choir singing Haleluja in chorus during free throws, if you'd have to settle for fouling Hårdbolls' players, they're really that good from the charity stripe.

Also VIV-RAJ (123-125) proved to be a very close call, reigning HGL bronze medalist Rajdersi was able to win this nail biter by 2 points. VIV made a prediction on RAJ's offensive focus, which was slightly off - I wonder how much this affected the match outcome, and was it even decisive factor? Of course one could find other differences between teams from the box score, but if we want to boil it down to one thing, that's one thing that could've affected the outcome.

LGM-LMS 104-89: While technically this wasn't a close match, couple of interesting observations.
First, teams were ice cold behind 3 point arc, combined of 2 out of 30 (6,7%!)! Hardly ever do you see as cold combined three point shooting in a match... LGM won rebounds by 10, mainly due to the fact that they won offensive rebounds 10-1. And while LGM only had 3 less FG attempts than LMS during match, they still had 45 (!) free throw attempts from the line, as opposed to "only" 20 by LGM.

KKS-VPO 76-109: While KKS lost this one, interesting thing in box score was that KKS had no less than 30 second chance attempts (while VPO's 16 wasn't bad either by any means)! But VPO held KKS at only 22,3% FG shooting, so that's what made the difference, in addition to their relentless defense overall, forcing KKS to 16 turnovers and allowing only to 9 assists.

ED-HB 95-100: Teams shot combined of 45/47 from the free throw line, which is 95,7%!

EOS-FRE 109-98: EOS beat FRE on the glass big time, taking the battle of offensive rebounds by 25 to 10 (total rebounds 58-41 to EOS), and acquiring 21 more FG attempts during match (while taking only 8 less free throw attempts during the match).

TRO-SUM 85-103: While SUM won quite comfortably, their percentages behind 3 point line were somewhat similar. On 2p FG's SUM on the other hand had a clear advantage (52,7 to 33,3%), and SUM's attacking flow was rated to 9, which is no wonder when you consider 30 out of their 78 FG's were assisted field goals (TRO at 11 out of 80, and attacking flow rating 5). TRO was dominating on offensive glass, having 18 second chance attempts against SUM's 8, and were also solid from the FT line (at 84%), but these weren't enough to make this a tight match.
EDIT: Incorrect 2p FG percentages on TRO-SUM, as I read shooting statistics "the European way" initially.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/29/2025 5:26:39 AM

After a tough initial win against SUM, I (VIV) had a couple of disappointments. The one against RAJ is especially unfortunate, because I lost tactically, having made a heavy bet. Will have to be much better against such a strong opposition in the future!

After a tough initial win against SUM, I (VIV) had a couple of disappointments. The one against RAJ is especially unfortunate, because I lost tactically, having made a heavy bet. Will have to be much better against such a strong opposition in the future!

It's interesting to see how high level of skill/powerful teams there are in HGL - at times nothing seems to come easy. You have such a high quality team yourself, and still almost nothing comes as guaranteed (well, I'd say it's a safe bet you'll reach Playoffs for sure, but you know what I mean), and that small things can have a decisive effect.

Personally I like that a lot, that you have to put in your best effort to secure wins (apart from my "regular BB league", into which this statement doesn't apply to, as for me that's survival from season to season in a wrong, more stressful way)...
I don't have information on how much that "betting" of yours cost, so it was just a pure guess (apart from reading couple of forum posts, which shed some light on probable effects of faulty guessing/betting) from me.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/29/2025 5:29:17 AM

You almost got me .
Guessing was reasonable from your side.

Apart from HGL, I must fight hard in II league after promotion.
I won one game so boycott for now is not a danger but need to fight in upcoming weeks .
They all just buy players if needed

On the other hand, my guess was too obvious That's why I lost.

And yeah, the II league is often brutal. Lots of really strong teams, especially in stronger nations.

Just a few words about BBM Tournament.
Les Gueux du Marais & WimaOlca & my team are all in the same tier, and we all began by 2 wins.

HGL rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

Just a few words about BBM Tournament.
Les Gueux du Marais & WimaOlca & my team are all in the same tier, and we all began by 2 wins.

HGL rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

As for starting with 2 wins, while it took 4 games to reach that milestone on Season 3, all of you aforementioned teams also are at 2 wins in HGL, all of you being within 12 points in scoring difference - couldn't be much more even start of the season for French teams!

Speaking of which, league tables have been updated (here: (328547.4)), and it's been quite even start of the Season in terms of middle ground of teams especially, as 7 (out of 16) teams are currently at 2 wins and 2 losses.

Last edited by Wagner at 11/1/2025 7:38:53 AM

Just to be transparent: I've bought back an old drafted player of mine, (47982774). It is a welcome addition to my weak backbench

Last edited by kecal at 11/2/2025 1:44:03 AM

Just to be transparent: I've bought back an old drafted player of mine, (47982774). It is a welcome addition to my weak backbench :)

Thank you for letting us know - I'll add that to Season 3 transfers-post, when it's published for Season 3.
(Likely transfers-post will be separated from the Salary benefit-post this season, as there are so many players that have been bought back by HGL teams, that I'm struggling to get those to fit in a one post, let alone being able add transfers in the same one).

We had a discussion of different new statistics on a couple of occasions over the past seasons. I have now made a ranking table of different nations, represented by various number of teams over the first 2 Seasons of HGL.

Rank__Country__NoT_GP__W___L___PF/G___PA/G__PD/G__WLR
1______Slovakia____1___30___29___1___114.5____85.9____+28.6___0.967
2______Argentina___1___15___14___1___117.5____80.9____+36.7___0.933
3______Sweden____1___15___12___3___95.3_____88.2____+7.1____0.800
4______Poland_____1___30___21___9___108.0____97.6____+10.5___0.700
5______France_____3___90___53___37__103.2____95.6____+7.6____0.589
6______Finland_____2___60__35___25___101.6____95.7____+5.9___0.583
7______Italy_______2___30__17___13___86.3_____78.9____+7.4___0.567
8______Bosnia i H.__1___15___8___7____90.3_____85.1____+5.2___0.533
9______Spain______1___30__13___17___91.8_____92.1____-0.4____0.433
10_____Australia___2___45___12___33__84.8_____112.8____-28.0___0.267
11_____Latvia_____1___30___7___23___95.5_____102.8____-7.4____0.233
12_____Uruguay___1___30___7___23___89.8_____102.1____-12.3___0.233
13_____Estonia____1___15___3___12___97.3_____105.6____-8.3____0.200
14_____USA_______3___45___8___37___85.3_____111.5___-26.2___0.178

Bosnia i H.=Bosnia and Herzegovina

NoT=Number of distinct teams, GP=Games played, W=Wins, L=Losses, PF/G=Points scored for per game, PA/G=Points scored against per game, PD/G=Scoring difference per game, WLR=Win-Loss-Ratio

I compiled all the scores from the games of the regular season from seasons 1 and 2 of HGL and calculated a win-loss-ratio, which is the main parameter for ranking. Additionally, I gathered points scored and normalized these to the games played by all teams to have a better comparability between nations with different number of teams playing. The point difference normalized to the number of games (PD/G) is currently the secondary parameter for ranking. Games between teams from the same nation still reflect in the statistics, as they automatically count as 1 win, 1 loss and leave a +/-0 point differential. The nations that did not have an active team during the second season are in an italic font. Let me know what you think and if it's interesting enough to keep track at the end of every season.

And sorry for a crappy looking table, which is the BB text editor's fault

Last edited by LennuK. at 11/4/2025 5:33:14 AM

We had a discussion of different new statistics on a couple of occasions over the past seasons. I have now made a ranking table of different nations, represented by various number of teams over the first 2 Seasons of HGL.
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Let me know what you think and if it's interesting enough to keep track at the end of every season.

And sorry for a crappy looking table, which is the BB text editor's fault :D

Excellent work, LennuK. - thank you very much! :)
I personally find these kind of statistics very interesting, and depending on how much work it is for you to update this kind of table every season (I know sometimes these tasks take way more time and effort than what the end result would suggest), I definitely give my vote to keeping on updating it!

It also adds a different aspect to HGL, as with every win, you may better your country's winning record, so you not only fight for wins to your team, but also to your country.

Of course like you mentioned, in the case of countries with multiple HGL teams, matches between same country teams cause a loss for all time records in a match between these teams (from the same country), and the effect is larger the more teams there are from the same country. In other words, it's of course not possible for such countries to achieve 100% winning record, even if they would win all games against every other HGL country. But after all, with countries of 3 HGL teams for instance, there are still "only" 3 matches between them during any given Regular season, so effect isn't huge.

Having said that, when I initially think of it, I think your approach here (how you decided to count matches) is likely the best possible way to handle it, as comparison table then contains all Regular Season matches. Other possibility could be to exclude matches between same country's teams, but it's your call, and as you already worked hard to compile such table, I'm very happy with your work and do not suggest it should be changed. :) So mentioning about this another possible approach was not to say there's something wrong with your choice of matches (that you include in a table).
Again, thanks very much for your contribution, once again!

Last edited by Wagner at 11/6/2025 2:44:57 PM