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From: jeffjeff

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239871.25 in reply to 239871.24
Date: 4/18/2013 12:40:18 PM
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He had hca as well.also since he ran patient the mismatches were really good for him and as a result he got a lot of opportunities

From: Jay_m

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Date: 4/18/2013 1:00:55 PM
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He had hca as well.also since he ran patient the mismatches were really good for him and as a result he got a lot of opportunities

Yes but when you say mismatches, his PG went 16/37 but if you look at the matchup ratings you see that my PG had a higher scoring efficiency. This is what I don't understand: how is it that when my matchup ratings were better in 4 out 5 positions, I get outscored. Is it just bad luck and my players underscored and his overscored or is it something I just don't understand about the ratings.

From: GM-hrudey

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239871.27 in reply to 239871.26
Date: 4/18/2013 1:27:13 PM
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He had hca as well.also since he ran patient the mismatches were really good for him and as a result he got a lot of opportunities

Yes but when you say mismatches, his PG went 16/37 but if you look at the matchup ratings you see that my PG had a higher scoring efficiency. This is what I don't understand: how is it that when my matchup ratings were better in 4 out 5 positions, I get outscored. Is it just bad luck and my players underscored and his overscored or is it something I just don't understand about the ratings.


He CT'd and you TIEd. That doesn't show up in the ratings. I don't think it shows up in the PP100 either, but it definitely does not show up in the ratings.

He did shoot a slightly higher percentage than you, and hit FTs better - even before the late game foul parade. The effort differential can lead to more fouls and those FTs may not be reflected in the PP100 either. Also, you turned the ball over quite a bit more - perhaps more than expected, which again may have been related to effort disparity or bad luck.

I'm not sure if the choice of offense led to lower shooting than normal for you - push the ball is more likely to get a player to shoot it quickly rather than waiting for a better shot to open up later in the possession, and perhaps it also forced more bad passes that became those turnovers.

But the main thing is that you were on the road with -2 effort - it's pretty tough to overcome all of that unless you're just a dominant team and in this case you weren't.

From: Jay_m

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239871.28 in reply to 239871.27
Date: 4/18/2013 1:54:50 PM
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He CT'd and you TIEd. That doesn't show up in the ratings. I don't think it shows up in the PP100 either, but it definitely does not show up in the ratings.


OK, then what do the ratings represent? Is it some sort of general statement of team merit without taking into account the actual game performance? Same thing with my individual player ratings. If the guy gets a 19 rating, is that just based on how well he should have done without taking into consideration whether he actually missed 19/20 shots or made 4/5?

I understand all the effort difference on the road stuff and I'm not complaining about losing. I just don't understand what one is supposed to read into the ratings, if anything. I would have hoped that the ratings would say something like your PG did not play well in that game.

From: jeffjeff

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239871.29 in reply to 239871.28
Date: 4/18/2013 3:55:12 PM
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I'm not sure if you are talking about ratings or the PP100 but if you mean PP100 I believe I read someone once saying something generally along these lines: If the player had made 100 shots, this is how many points they'd have gotten

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From: schedl

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239871.31 in reply to 239871.29
Date: 4/18/2013 4:35:25 PM
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what about this one (58776171) ...i obviously lost because of the rebounds, but why did he outrebound me like that? his big guys were stronger, but in the end my rebounding value was a bit higher. or does the rating have no effect at all when there is a mismatch at the 5?

From: Jay_m

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239871.33 in reply to 239871.29
Date: 4/18/2013 9:37:24 PM
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It's just a general question: if my ratings are better all around, is it just a matter of luck that I lost - which I can live with. What I'm hearing, though, is that the ratings don't actually reflect the game played but are some sort of idealized number that was pre-calculated.

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239871.34 in reply to 239871.33
Date: 4/18/2013 10:35:11 PM
Kings XI Punjab
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Your ratings are better then him, simply means if you both had same et. and if you both played at same effort level, you would have won or you would have won even with difference of 1 in effort level, but here is difference of 2 in effort level and he is also having home court advantage.
PP 100 means if your player took 100 shoots how many will be in, but if your player make 2/8 doesn't mean that ratings are wrong, maybe your player can in rest of his all shoots taken.

From: Ofer
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239871.35 in reply to 239871.34
Date: 4/27/2013 6:37:11 PM
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Hi all

i was wondering if any of the veteran here can check my last game (56157821) and help me by telling me why did i lost like that?
will be happy to add any missing info if needed.

Ofer

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