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From: Wagner

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Date: 11/22/2025 7:09:32 AM
Wagner College
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One crucial issue I've been having lately is that my scoring leader Maksimavičius was injured. Some really painful losses followed where I could have expected positive results with a full roster.

Finally, Maksimavičius is close to being healthy, and I hope that his form comes back as fast as possible for me to reach the PO stage!

That's a very good point ( I didn't actually pay attention to that), and that kind of injury affects a lot against even/high quality opposition. It's also true that game shape is very important in terms of player performance levels, so while I like it that injuries affect game shape (as it's realistic), they sometimes return to optimal painfully slow...

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/22/2025 7:18:06 AM
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Nice again. I can say that the quality of the league is improving and I'm happy about that. As for salaries, I'm not trying to control it. My team is financially well-off, I can easily spend more than a million on salaries and it won't hurt me financially.

Thanks! I'm also happy about that (even though my own team isn't improving with highest rate, so it won't mean good to my own success chances but it's necessary to see this from a wider perspective, and added competitiveness and raise of skill levels of teams is definitely a positive news).

I'm glad to hear you've got some money to spend (I wish I could say the same...), and it'll be interesting to see what kind of Top8-salary record of HGL you will set in forthcoming seasons!
(Yes, we can keep a record on some of these "all time special statistics", if some people want to gather them - as you all can see, I'm running behind already on gathering team stats and updating transfers and salary benefit posts, so as much as I'd like to compile additional stats/records, I don't think I can take much added work as I'm already struggling to some extent on keeping up with this level of statistical information).

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/22/2025 7:19:37 AM
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I'm in (y)

Thank you WiMaOl, you have a + sign after your name in that updatable post - I'm very glad to see you on Season 4! :)

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/22/2025 7:26:57 AM
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Count me in!

Thank you Jotadoce, excellent decision! It's great to have a Spanish team in HGL... I also hope we'll have some local competition in HGL one day - perhaps in a form of LOPO_ (manager of Eliocroca CB), who has established 'Homegrown teams'-thread? :) According to his much appreciated HG-teams listing, there does seem to be also 3 other HG teams in Spain...

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/22/2025 7:30:20 AM
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The Kings are still too young, too weak...

...but we continue to train, continue to prepare, continue to dream...

Well, you'll get there - probably sooner, as it now feels. And if you change your mind, there's an 18th spot open for HGL Season 4.
As mentioned before, I'd consider it more optimal to have an equal number of teams instead of odd number of teams and currently we have 17 teams for Season 4 (as Alanurmon Rikkaat will join us for Season 4), if Suuret Muinaiset and Hårdboll will decide to keep on playing on HGL Season 4. This way also every team would play on every Round...

Last edited by Wagner at 11/22/2025 7:31:18 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/23/2025 9:07:33 AM
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League tables now updated after Round 10 of play.

We have a 4-way tie, 4 teams at 5W-5L and currently also 3 teams at 3W-7L.

Which reminds me of Paul George's comment on Season 2 thread, here: (327516.183).

My response was this (here: (327516.185)) however, the matter still remains undecided.
I wasn't totally sure what Paul George meant with "virtual table" in his message, so I made an assumption in my reply (and still am not sure if that assumption was correct?).

Anyway, Season 3 Playoffs are approaching and they're approaching fast, so to avoid a quick Commissioners' decision "on the fly" in this undecided possibly problematic situation, I think it'd be better to decide an order in which teams are ranked in a 3 way tie (or 4 or 5-way tie..), if for example following situation exists (here's quote from my above mentioned post):
So situation that you mentioned about could indeed become a challenge, if for example team
A wins B
B wins C, and
C wins A.
Then we would face situation where one should be above another, except that third team "messes up" that easy solution if one of the tied teams doesn't lose to both other tied teams... If I have made a mistake in my thinking (in an above example, that it would make it impossible to solve situation without adding another layer/method of comparison), anybody please let me know.


While it's possibly not my first choice (as I'd personally prefer to give most credit to great defense instead of great offense), I'd be ready to accept +/- point differential to be used as a next classification criteria for teams tied in wins and whose Regular Season match results against each other don't make it possible to rank teams based on winning the other team during Regular Season (like in above example of mine).

@all HGL managers: What do you guys think, should we use point differential on Season 3 Playoffs (ORSR-rankings) on these situations in where it's not possible to rank teams in typical way (winner of Regular Season meeting is always higher on league table)?


I still think that in the case of 4 way tie for instance, if one of the teams can be dropped out of the comparison based on losing to all other teams with same record, only 3-way tie situation would occur(/it would be handled as a 3-way tie and 4th team would be automatically ranked lowest of those).
On the other hand, at least when I first think of it and if there's no mistake in my thinking, one of 4 teams would only drop out of such 4-way tie comparison to losing all other 3 teams, right?

When we start to introduce 4 or more teams, this gets more and more complicated, and as I've never dealt with such situations before, please correct me at any point if you notice any problems in my thinking/logic, and we'll try to figure this out (set clear rules for it) before this might actually happen.

From: demars

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Date: 11/23/2025 10:21:31 AM
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For all those ties, I think we should rank them :
- FIRST- Win/Loss vs the tied teams
- IF 2/more teams are tied THEN Use Point Difference
- IF PA are equal, THEN Best Offense wins


(with 4 teams it's impossible that the 4 have the same record vs the 3 others. Maybe 3 have 2-1 record, but the last has 0-3).

From: Wagner

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Date: 11/23/2025 10:32:40 AM
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For all those ties, I think we should rank them :
- FIRST- Win/Loss vs the tied teams
- IF 2/more teams are tied THEN Use Point Difference
- IF PA are equal, THEN Best Offense wins


(with 4 teams it's impossible that the 4 have the same record vs the 3 others. Maybe 3 have 2-1 record, but the last has 0-3).

So in your proposition point differential would be preferred over points allowed, thank you for your opinion demars!

On your third most important comparison method ("- IF PA are equal, THEN Best Offense wins"), with PA did you mean "points allowed"?

(So in other words, if point differential would be tied, I understood you'd prefer to rank teams higher that have allowed least points, and if that's tied too, at last option team that has scored more points would be ranked higher)?

Anyone else has thoughts on this?

From: demars

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Date: 11/23/2025 12:06:08 PM
Elan Demars
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PA (in my mind) was for Points Differential (sorry for the mistake !)

From: LennuK.

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Date: 11/24/2025 3:05:04 AM
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I don't really have a preference regarding this matter. I could work with either PD, PF or PA as the second parameter to decide on ties. PD seems to be most generally used one across different sports, so there would be nothing wrong about using this. Though, if we would like to follow another path, then I would be up to reward the best defense in these situations too!

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