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TBA #15 (What everyone who participates to Season 2 of HGL needs to do now-post)


Season 3 HGL Threads (main and scores thread) have now been set up, so HGL related conversation will mainly take place in those Threads from now on.

What everyone who participates to Season 3 of HGL needs to do now:

1. At least briefly check out your season schedule (posts 5 and 6 on Season 3 Scores Thread, link at the end of post); I didn't notice anything special/faulty in it, but having another eyes to check it too doesn't harm.
(Note: Basically we should be good to go, as I re-used Season 2 Schedule by editing it as little as possible considering we have 1 joining team, but anyone possibly spotting any problems please let me know. I did however change challenge responsibilities of a HGL joining team VIV from 0 to 12, as SRS had 0 challenge responsibilities on Season 2, as BUC used to have 12 responsibilities/regular season).

2. Create an own box score post for your team, just like during Seasons 1 and 2.
As an idea for your convenience (and to retain preferred standard for HGL) you can respond to this message (328547.14) and from that post of mine copy-paste everything below * * * * * * * to your own box score post (and only change your team name/abbreviation, opponent name for each Regular Season round, and add match links to it as soon as matches for Season 3 have been organized by you and your opponents).
If you need a memory refresher on how your box score post for the season works/how you edit it once you have box score links to add, you can read this post: (328546.13).

3. Familiarize yourself with match organization process if it's new thing for you or if you need a refresher (guide currently available on 'Announcement'-posts on both Official Threads) and ask questions (if needed) preferably before you'll start the process.

4. Start organizing HGL Regular Season matches (sending and accepting Pickup match challenges, 15 per team during Season 3)

As you all have likely noticed (when being on this Thread), you'll find Official Season 3 HGL Threads from here:
Home-Grown League (HGL) Season 3 Official Thread: (328546.1)
HGL Scores Season 3 Official Thread: (328547.1)

Last edited by Wagner at 10/5/2025 10:13:03 AM

TBA #16

Progress of match organizing process, updateable team list for Season 3:

Wagner College *GTG*
Les Gueux du Marais *GTG*
Elan Demars *GTG*
BC Eos *GTG*
Freccia Azzurra *GTG*
Madrid Chotis *GTG*
WiMaOlca*GTG*
Rajdersi *GTG*
Vilniaus „Vilkai“*GTG*
Hårdboll *GTG*
Lielupes Melnas Sirdis *GTG*
Suuret Muinaiset*GTG*
Virtus Portici *GTG*
Svätý Jur Snakers *GTG*
KK Stihija *GTG*
Club Trouville *GTG*

Current situation (20.10.2025): all teams have corrected requested changes on their own box score posts, so all are good to go for Season 3.


Abbreviations used on the table above:
(BP:OK)= own box score post for Season 3 created
S3S:OK= season 3 schedule; all match links sent to own box score post (which are not yet verified by league Commissioner)
*GTG*= team good to go for Season 3, because all above done, plus league Commissioner has confirmed/verified that match days and times are correct.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 5:21:19 AM

@everybody:

Off-season process (match organizing for HGL Season 3) has now started, and while new Official Season 3 threads are still under construction, all essential information should be found from those new threads.
(If not, please refer to Season 2 threads for information, as everything in terms of preparation for next season will practically remain the same as during Season 2).
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Official designated match times for each team on Season 3 will remain the same as during Season 2 (because Daylight Savings Time is still observed in EET time zone, when Regular Season Round 1 on Season 3 starts).

As you all have likely noticed (when being on this Thread), you'll find Official Season 3 HGL Threads from here:
Home-Grown League (HGL) Season 3 Official Thread: (328546.1)
HGL Scores Season 3 Official Thread: (328547.1)

Let's start sending and accepting Season 3 matches soon, so that we'll get everything done in time! Please ask questions on Season 3 threads (or by BBMail, if necessary - threads might provide you a quicker answer though), if you're unsure about something.

By quoting myself (from HGL Season 2 thread) I want to remind everyone participating to HGL Season 3, that please proceed immediately with creating your own box score post on (above mentioned) HGL Scores Season 3 Official Thread.

We have only 12 days before Season 3 starts, and only 7 out of 16 teams have currently created an own box score post (as you can see from here: (328546.16).

All Regular Season matches need to be organized (and verified by myself, or some volunteers - last time I think Hadár, LennuK. and maybe MrJ helped with this project?) well before October 20th, so please proceed with Season 3 match organizing process immediately if you haven't started it yet..

Following actions needed from managers well before Season 3 starts (on next Monday):

EDIT: all requested preparations/box score edits finished by all managers.

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 5:19:33 AM

Most critical HGL Pre-Season tasks have been accomplished now.

I first made sure no "illegal" transfers had taken place since Season 2 beginning.

Then already couple of days ago finished checking teams´own box score posts, just didn't update this post at that time: (328546.16) (but now it's been updated).

Now also Season 3 Regular Season schedule creation/editing is finished, starting from this post and followed by another schedule post: (328547.5).
If someone wants to make a second check (for faulty links/information), one may do that (and of course I'd be thankful of that), but having said that, I don't expect anyone to do this project. I've tried to do also schedule related things as carefully as possible (and boy, did it take time once again... I'm trying to figure out ways to automate some of the tasks, but it's challenging in this "all-manual league"), so I'm pretty confident everything should be correct.

So with this, while I have plenty of background tasks to finalize (of which not all will be completely finished before Season 3 starts, but they do not prevent Season from starting), we're almost ready to go for Season 3.
Spela and SventraCanestri, please correct your box score posts before Season starts, thank you. :)

Does anyone feel like writing some predictions/preview on HGL Season 3?
LennuK. (BC Eos) once again provided us (well, so far only to me, as the intention is to make similar kind of comparative post as was published during Season 2) some great salary, age and "team strength" information (which I still didn't have time to compile into a post), so that developmet information of course would be helpful in such preview, but I'm not sure if I have time to do that prior to season as there are still more essential tasks to finalize (and I don't have tons of time to use for BB currently).

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 5:18:08 AM

Season 3 is just behind the corner as there's approximately 24 hours to go before season starts!

Most preparations for Season 3 by me have been completed, and those that have not (and will be completed later) won't prevent Round 1 to be played.

Top8 players' average salaries and ages have now been updated to both Official Threads (to "Total of 16 teams will take part to Season 3 of HGL"-posts).

LennuK. (from BC Eos) has once again done a big favor by providing me (and therefore us) some fresh salary and age information, which I used in aforementioned posts, and will use in my later posts during Season 3 (later I'll create similar comparison table as during Season 2, so that it's easily comparable from season to season).

If you visit one of those two (similar) "participating teams" post, you´ll see that some interesting changes have taken place, in terms of salary and age.

Changes, which would be even more apparent when viewing top- and comparison tables made by LennuK. I sent him a BBMail today to ask for his permission to publish those, and if his answer is positive, I'll publish them (almost) as is/as they've been provided, to get even clearer idea of recent changes. Also, LennuK. has provided us an interesting new comparison category, team "power"/"value", which I might also publish if he grants me permission to do so in this case (or if not, he may of course publish it himself).
(All aforementioned info have been sent by BBMail, so I want to respect and wait LennuK.'s opinion on this before publishing them).

Anyway, what kind of goals do you guys have for HGL Season 3?

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 5:18:24 AM

Hello Wagner !

i'll try to do the same -> 9-10 wins and playoffs.
Then, who knows.

i saw last season, that the levels tend to be more similar. I'm not sure that it will be an advantage for my team, especially because my 2 best players have turned 35...
BUT, my two future stars have turned 25, and I have to train them at a very highler level than my two actual stars... It should be better and bitter this season for my team.

Hello Wagner !

i'll try to do the same -> 9-10 wins and playoffs.
Then, who knows.

i saw last season, that the levels tend to be more similar. I'm not sure that it will be an advantage for my team, especially because my 2 best players have turned 35...
BUT, my two future stars have turned 25, and I have to train them at a very highler level than my two actual stars... It should be better and bitter this season for my team.

Thanks for your response, demars!
That's very well and interestingly said - better and bitter - maybe I should quote you later on, by using that in RL situations, as it's a spot on comment (that I've never heard before) for some situations. :D

HGL team levels are pretty high (in terms of top8-salary), and nothing is guaranteed when you fight for those better higher or lower mid-table positions. For instance while my team has improved from Season 2 in salaries, I'm still only 12th in top8 HGL salaries, but my goal is of course to finish higher than that, as past has proven it's possible to exceed "probabilities".
I also share the same problematics with your team in terms of most of my best players getting old (and being one of the oldest teams in HGL), so I definitely see your point. It'd dreadful to see players declining, while simultaneously not being able to train new players with similar speed ((or having as much potential than the older players, that they´re supposed to replace later in the opening lineup, which effectively restricts A) the overall level of the future team compared to current one, and/or B) due to potential limitations it at least restricts the player types that you´re able to train/make of them)).

For example we´re almost at the same level in wages, but whenever I meet your team, it feels as though you are bit of a favorite in that match. Having said that, and having set the favorite position to your team, I hope to find a way to victory in our meeting this season... ;)

Anyway, good luck for the season for you demars (and of course to all other managers as well), and I hope you have enough nitros ready waiting in the counter besides you, given that you're going to have as many nailbiter matches on Season 3 as you had on Season 2!

Less than 3 hours to the start of HGL Season 3, and now it's time to publish some comparison data/tables from Season 3 teams!

Like was the case on Season 2, also now on Season 3 LennuK. from BC Eos has done us a big favor and calculated average salary and age information from HGL teams' Top8-players.
On Season 2 I made these comparison tables (here: (327516.63)) based on data provided by LennuK.
I plan to make similar tables during Season 3 when I have more time, so that data remains as easy to as possible to compare from Season to Season.

However, now that Season beginning is closing in, and as I got a permission from LennuK. to use this data and ready made comparison tables he provided to me (and therefore, to all of us), I'll publish them in this post.

In other words, all of this new Season 3 data and tables are created by him (and I'll copy them here "as is", apart from new "power"/"value" rankings of which explanation section I'll edit slightly), so again, big thanks to LennuK. from behalf of whole HGL community!

In this first table, teams are at the typical order based on "participating teams"-post (available on both Official Threads).

Team: Salary S2 -> Salary S3 (in 1000 $) | Salary change (%) | Age S2 -> Age S3 (y) | Age change (y)

Wagner College (WAG): 284 -> 316 | +11,3% | 29,4 -> 30,4 | +1,0
Les Gueux du Marais (LGM): 243 -> 266 | +9,5% | 27,1 -> 28,1 | +1,0
Elan Demars (ED): 306 -> 335 | +9,5% | 28,1 -> 28,3 | +0,2
BC Eos (EOS): 249 -> 391 | +57,0% | 23,3 -> 23,6 | +0,3
Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV): 370 -> 409 | +10,5 | 24,3 -> 25,3 | +1,0
Madrid Chotis (D): 236 -> 269 | +14,0% | 26,0 -> 27,0 | +1,0
WiMaOlca (WMO): 324 -> 347 | +7,1% | 27,9 -> 28,9 | +1,0
Rajdersi (RAJ): 342 -> 376 | +9,9% | 25,9 -> 26,5 | +0,6
Freccia Azzurra (FRE): 237 -> 262 | +10,5% | 25,1 -> 25,5 | +0,4
Hårdboll (HB): 477 -> 460 | -3.6% | 32,0 -> 31,1 | -0,9
Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS): 254 -> 368 | +44,9% | 22,6 -> 23,6 | +1,0
Suuret Muinaiset (SUM): 435 -> 453 | +4,1% | 26,0 -> 27,0 | +1,0
Virtus Portici (VPO): 473 -> 490 | +3,6% | 31,5 -> 30,0 | -1,5
Svätý Jur Snakers (HAD): 742 -> 845 | +13,9% | 30,0 -> 31,0 | +1,0
KK Stihija (KKS): 525 -> 567 | +8,0% | 25,5 -> 26,4 | +1,0
Club Trouville (TRO): 244 -> 275 | +12,7% | 27,4 -> 27,6 | +0,2

Even more HGL Season 3 data, calculated and these comparison tables made by LennuK. (BC Eos):

Top 5 teams of top-8 players’ salaries in Season 3:
1. Svätý Jur Snakers (845K)
2. KK Stihija (567K)
3. Virtus Portici (490K)
4. Hårdboll (460K)
5. Suuret Muinaiset (453K)

Top 5 of oldest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 3:
1. Hårdboll (31,1 y)
2. Svätý Jur Snakers (31,0 y)
3. Wagner College (30,4 y)
4. Virtus Portici (30,0 y)
5. WiMaOlca (28,9 y)

Top 5 of youngest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 3:
1./2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis & BC Eos (23,6 y)
3. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (25,3 y)
4. Freccia Azzurra (25,5 y)
5. KK Stihija (26,4 y)

Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 2 and Season 3 in absolute salary:
1. BC Eos (142K/57,0%)
2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (114K/44,9%)
3. Svätý Jur Snakers (103K/13,9%)
4. KK Stihija (42K/8,0%)
5. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (39K/10,5%)

Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 2 and Season 3 in relative salary:
1. BC Eos (57,0%/142K)
2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (44,9%/114K)
3. Madrid Chotis (14,0%/33K)
4. Svätý Jur Snakers (13,9%/103K)
5. Club Trouville (12,7%/31K)

Top 5 of teams getting younger (or less old, based on top-8 average ages) between Season 2 and Season 3:
1. Virtus Portici (-1,5 y)
2. Hårdboll (-0,9 y)
3./4. Elan Demars & Club Trouville (+0,2 y)
5. BC Eos (+0,3 y)


New-to-HGL statistical category, Team "power"/"value":

1. Svätý Jur Snakers (HAD): 27,3 [K & per y]
2. KK Stihija (KKS): 21,5
3. Suuret Muinaiset (SUM): 16,8
4. BC Eos (EOS): 16,6
5. Virtus Portici (VPO): 16,3
6. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV): 16,2
7. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS): 15,6
8. Hårdboll (HB): 14,8
9. Rajdersi (RAJ): 14,2
10. WiMaOlca (WMO): 12,0
11. Elan Demars (ED): 11,8
12. Wagner College (WAG): 10,4
13. Freccia Azzurra (FRE): 10,3
14. Club Trouville (TRO): 10,0 (higher in later decimal places than D)
15. Madrid Chotis (D): 10,0 (lower in later decimal places than TRO)
16. Les Gueux du Marais (LGM): 9,5

This is all-new category (yes, this also has been created and calculated by LennuK.) so it needs explanation. As he and I think, it'd be interesting to hear what you guys think of this new category; do you find it interesting and useful, and would you like to see this incorporated into a season to season stats gathering (and stats comparison) routine?

LennuK. wrote like this (permission for publication has been granted by him) about the "power/value" statistics:

I tried to think of other interesting parameters other than just salary and age, which would be interesting to monitor over the seasons. So, I looked into the relationship between the ages and salaries directly [...]
So, I looked at the parameter of top-8 salary sum divided by the top-8 average age to get a general parameter or a “power” ranking showing the salary to age ratio (in 1000$ per year of the average age), which could probably even be termed “value” of the players on the roster of a specific team. This by no means determines the actual value of the players in the top-8 of different teams, but is interesting to look at, when considering that a high salary and a young age are associated with a player that is actually valuable; hence the higher the described ratio is, the higher the “value” of a player would/should be. If you think such information could be interesting too, here comes the list of the HGL teams in Season 3 in the order of more to less “valuable” players in the top-8 considering their salary to age ratio.

Personally I find this very interesting statistics.
While no one stats category for which creation only 2 parameters have been used will reveal team "power/value" in itself completely, I really like this kind of initiative and work done to create content that´s genuinely informative (as LennuK. pointed, young age and high salary is a desirable combination).

Last edited by Wagner at 10/20/2025 6:07:37 AM

Speaking of stats, as we can see there are plenty of major changes that have taken place since Season 2, in terms of age but especially in terms of salaries.

Moving into Season 3, biggest salary winners (in relative salary) by far are BC Eos (57,0% increase) and Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (44,9% increase).

In these previous comparison tables (into which I refer to), teams that have made transfers during Season 2 have not been marked with asterisk or by other means so those transfers of course can have a significant effect on such percentages - this case, however, transfers have increased team salary value to some extent, but not massively. (I'll try to remember adding * after team names in my later team age and salary comparison tables, so that we could see if that change in either has been affected by transfers or has it taken place only "organically" through training).

As for those "salary winners", Monēta from LMS has been warning us for seasons, that his team will be very competitive soon, and I'm sure most would agree that Lielupes Melnās Sirdis will improve his records of 4W-11L from Season 2 and 3W-12L from Season 1, and also that BC Eos will improve his Season 2 record of 3 wins and 12 losses.

In terms of actual salary, Svätý Jur Snakers is getting closer and closer to that weekly 1 million mark (845K currently) in salaries - quite a daunting number for most of us his opponents, and I have no doubt they´re going after a medal once again on Season 3.

Despite being lower on top8 salaries, I think Virtus Portici (490K salaries) will likely give HAD a strong opponent on this season as well.

And if we compare top8-salaries alone, as you can see from above table, there are many high quality teams even above and just behind aforementioned teams in salaries: KK Stihija (567K), Hårdboll (460K), Suuret Muinaiset (453K), Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (409K), BC Eos (391K) and a defending Bronze medalist from Season 2, Rajdersi (376K).

So very interesting season ahead I think, and there will be a big fight for those top4-positions, which will guarantee a free ticket for team on Second Round of Playoffs.

On Season 3, there aren´t any teams that would be way, way back in salaries, so fight for last Playoff places could be a very tight one and decided at the end of the season. As for salaries, my team Wagner College holds "the last Playoff spot" with 316K salaries, but difference to lowest HGL salary team Freccia Azzurra (262K) isn't huge by any means.


As we were talking about stats, there in my opinion are several other stats categories that I can think of (but all of them I can't recall just now), that would be interesting to compare on season-to-season basis.
For instance average salary of:
- given seasons' all HGL teams
- top 4 teams
- teams ranked from 5th to 8th
- teams ranked from 9th to 12th
- teams ranked from 13th to 16th.

Also, if comparison in graph format would be available, such previous comparison could look neat in a graph.

As for graph-style comparison tables, it would be interesting to see team Regular Season winning-% (in that sense better than actual wins, if number of played matches will differ in forthcoming seasons) and salary development of team compared from season-to-season (we could have different colors for different teams - however, that might end up being a messy table given how many parameters it tries to represent, so being able to select and unselect teams in such table, or restrict number of teams in one given table would likely be necessary to make it more easily readable). Theoretically of course it'd be possible to create a separate graph table for each team (which would be very clear to follow), but it'd be plenty of work.

If not such graph table would be made available, then separate tables for salary development and league positions could partly fill that demand (of long term team following in terms of salary development and season-to-season team success).