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268036.21 in reply to 268036.20
Date: 03/24/2015 17:19:00
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All right, then by your reasoning Nachbar had too many possibilities. By your reasoning there are only two possibilities, it works or it doesn't. The different reasons WHY it works or it doesn't don't matter.

That is no help in learning to make it work, though.

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268036.22 in reply to 268036.21
Date: 03/26/2015 18:48:30
Freccia Azzurra
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I had a terrible experience with box: (79066268)
I knew already I had to stop his C, PF so I thought to use what should be the best defensive tactic following the rules but probably something has gone wrong...

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
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268036.23 in reply to 268036.22
Date: 03/26/2015 22:30:14
.Torres Blancas.
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I had a nice experience with this tactic (79016935). It's not the first time I use box+1 succesfully but I believe this is a really good example of what it does and when to use it.

I knew I had to guard my rival's key player no mather what (L. Zaccaría (27292670), Argentina's NT PF) because the other ones were not as good as him, and it worked like a charm. My stating defender quickly made 3 fouls but the bench player did an outstanding defensive job.

He was attampting 11-19 FGs and 26 Pts on average before the match. The result was him attempting only 8 FGs in the whole match, with just 12 Pts.

I think the key to this tactic is to use it when you know you are facing an unbalanced offense with only one key player. If there is more than one good offensive player to guard it won't work because what you are going to get is a zone defense with your best defender never being in the equation to guard those other shooters. Well, at least that's the way I see it :)

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268036.25 in reply to 268036.24
Date: 03/27/2015 07:56:30
Freccia Azzurra
IV.18
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Don't remember exactly the skills but:

P: 18 OD, 10 ID
G: 17 OD, 11 ID
SF: 17 OD, 15 ID
PF: 6 OD, 16 ID, 12 SB
C: 8 OD, 15 ID, 13 SB

You can check by yourself on the TL some of them.
Usually my main problem is the attack, this time it was the opposite...

Last edited by ned at 03/27/2015 07:59:03

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268036.26 in reply to 268036.22
Date: 03/27/2015 10:15:16
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ouch, your opponent's centers went 27-32 against your box, that hurts. his PF went 50%. maybe your best defender was defending his SF, his SF was 1-10...

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268036.27 in reply to 268036.26
Date: 03/27/2015 11:22:47
Freccia Azzurra
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Slaytanic
it could be but in general I think I've a good average defenses on all the positions. BBBBBBBUUUUUUGGGGGGGG

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268036.28 in reply to 268036.16
Date: 03/29/2015 07:15:28
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If 3) is the case, the engine will switch to another scoring option. So it can happen, that your +1 defender plays against a guy who takes only five or six shots during the whole game. The reason for this is his high defense.


I would like it recorded in the BB annuals - that i stated and explained this point already, but that it took me approximately 3526 characters more, than what Nachtmahr took to explain it.

XD

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268036.29 in reply to 268036.16
Date: 03/29/2015 12:41:17
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Before the game, the engine takes both teams. It calculates, based on the skills, who is the best offense player and who is the best defense player. Nothing more and nothing less. The defense player isn't the guy with the highest OD or ID, it's the player with the highest overall defense. And that's the one who has the best OD+ID+SB+ST rating. For a lot of teams it's the SF or PF.



So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside? the +1 will guard only the outside/inside shots depending on the box choice? if the offensive player is a SG and your +1 is also a SG with 20 OD (a match in favor of the defense), what will be the difference between the box defenses? What's the impact of the offensive tactics regarding the box defenses?

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268036.30 in reply to 268036.29
Date: 03/31/2015 12:34:42
white snake
Bundesliga
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Black Forest Boars
So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.

the +1 will guard only the outside/inside shots depending on the box choice?

No, he will defend all the shots of his opponent. It doesn't matter if it's a 3pt or a dunk.


if the offensive player is a SG and your +1 is also a SG with 20 OD (a match in favor of the defense), what will be the difference between the box defenses?

The difference is that with one box, your SG with OD will defend the SG and with the other one he will defend the PF or C (best inside player).

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268036.31 in reply to 268036.30
Date: 03/31/2015 15:36:15
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yeah, thx, totally clear now.

just one last thing. i remember having read in this thread that stamina counts to the formula of the best defender. do you confirm that? if yes, to which extent does stamina count in comparison to the other defensive skills? 1-to-1?

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