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Is 'haek' German for potter?

No, for defensive monster. ;) If you don't belive me: Haek [häk] is swabian for "Hecke", in englisch hedge... a plant wall. So he is a defensive plant wall^^
When Marin and I talked about his skills three seasons ago, he had a really nice definition for him :D

I think it's final proof that SB is worthless. SB 19 and only 2,2 blocks per game in 3rd division. His SB is twice better than on NT and top B3 teams level, however it didn't help to avoid relegation.

I think his plan doesn't matter because I judge effects. GE calculates current skills, no future plans.
And (maybe it isn't clear) I judge only SB, not Nachtmahr or his team or plan.

Well how can you judge it when you dont even know a single thing about Nachtmahrs team? A player like that is very much a role player and not a player that makes a season or even many games. Not in ways you can easily see at least.

Wrong.

By the way it seems from reading your posts it seems you already have decided to not like SB as a skill no matter what.

And wrong.

Ad 1.
I know that this player has 2,2 block per game. Only 2,2 with almost the best level of SB in BB. For me it's extremely weak effect.
I know that this player has virtual salary higher than many other good players.
I know that he is playing in weaker league than many others.

Ad 2.
I like SB, but only when it is for free. However if you want to develop SB then it isn't for free, because if you train SB then you can't train other skills, so you have to sacrifice one or few of them.

It's quite obvious that while looking for proof that SB is worthless you did not get anything from the discussion.
Haeks block average is low precisely because he plays in a weak league. He is by far the best defender and thus is avoided by the game engine. Would he play say first polish league those high IS PFs would attempt much more shots facing Haek and his block average would go up to maybe 4.

How SB is effective?
Forced opponent to change player who shots - it isn't full success of defence. It's maybe 20% success because there are 4 other players on court who can score.
Alter shot is maybe 50% of success because i saw altered shots which gave points.
Even blocked shot doesn't mean full success because opponent has 20% chance to grab offensive rebound and still score. (And please note that unblocked shot could be missed, so defence can works even without SB).

Meanwhile steal is 100% success of defence. Even offensive rebound works the same as perfect defence, because it gives one full posession more. So OR is better than blocked shot.

Unfortunatelly we will not learn more about efficiency of Haek's SB in next season because he will play in league with ~12-13 bots (it's average number of bots on this level).

I have let you ignoring my replies slip for a long time now.

Manon, with all due respect, who is ducking whom?

What I said is,

The vast majority of managers have never even seen any "triple-17" nor have they had any players with the lofty salaries like those mentioned. And I see that no one disputes this; the best they can do is dance around it and try to justify it.

This is still true. Wah wah wah, hubba hubba hubba, but no one denies the truth of what I said.

But I don’t attack anyone for supposedly ducking the conversation.

I also said this about the “scaling down” topic you and the expert from Japan are trying so hard to push:

Whether less is more is another argument separate from this. Scaling down may be true and it may not be. I haven't seen that analyzed and I don't expect to see it analyzed.

There is my reply to you, but you must have missed it. Simply scaling down the biggest teams to smaller scales may work or it may not work. I haven’t seen that analysis performed, and I don’t expect to see such a complicated and esoteric analysis here. But just because someone says it is true doesn’t make it true. People rant and make assertions on these threads all the time as though they are Gospel, but we all know they are not.

Maybe in smaller leagues an entirely different approach is optimal. Maybe something works best at smaller leagues that wouldn’t work at all at upper leagues. Maybe or maybe not. But it is certain that smaller leagues do NOT enjoy the triple-17’s you talked about nor the lofty salaries you talked about. Those tools are simply not available to the smaller leagues, and maybe that means that simply following the same strategies as the bigger leagues is a sub-optimal approach. A bunch of other strategies would need to be studied, compared and contrasted to your simple scaling down strategy to see what is true about the smaller leagues. Without that study, somebody claiming something to be true and six bits won’t buy you a cuppa java.

Think about that.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 7/30/2015 4:12:29 PM