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Current attendance system is not perfect, but it denies top teams the luxury to lose a game here or there and still get away with it, so they have to give their best more often than they would like.

I usually agree with you, but this time I must disagree.
Just look at this guy's attendance http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/22777/arena.aspx, and then look at his current record as well as his records in the past two seasons. What do you think? Still think that there is nothing wrong with the way attendance is calculated? That "top teams have to give their best more often than not"?
If there were any logic in this game, this guy - with the way his team is run right now - shouldn't have more than 10 fans per game, and even that is too much.

Edju's team has finished 5th in your league each of the last two seasons, with a combined 25-19 record and positive PD. When you consider that he has D5 arena prices, it's not surprising that his arena is close to selling out.

What you should be upset about is Heathcoatmen's arena. 6 straight walkovers, high arena prices, and he's still selling a lot of tickets.

I think we can all agree that true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue, but your frustration over arena income seems misplaced and incorrect.

I'm actually not upset about neither of examples, so you got that completely wrong. I was just trying to contribute to ongoing discussion, and in that, I used Edju as an example, him being the last team I played against.
While Heatcoatmen's example is certainly more severe, and clearly better for sake of argument I was trying to make, I don't see Edju's case to be much different. I believe I already explained why is that in my previous posts, so no need to go there again. It is interesting, though, how you think that "true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue" and yet you find my observation "misplaced and incorrect".

It is interesting, though, how you think that "true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue" and yet you find my observation "misplaced and incorrect".

Tanking the last game of the season to ensure a 5th place finish does not mean a team is tanking. The implication of your post seemed to be that Edju tanked the previous season, which isn't true. This is where the "misplaced and incorrect" came from.

While Heatcoatmen's example is certainly more severe, and clearly better for sake of argument I was trying to make, I don't see Edju's case to be much different.

I see a big difference between 6 walkovers in a row, as Heathcoatmen has had, and one 100 point loss by Edju. There are plenty of professional sports teams that intentionally lose a game or two at the end of a season to ensure draft position or to guarantee an easier playoff matchup. Fans understand and don't react too harshly. A walkover in real life would cause a riot. I'm not quite sure why this is part of the game, nor do I understand why the opposing team is punished by not receiving the full minutes for training.


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 12/4/2011 8:39:28 PM

Believe me, Edju tanked more than just one game. Like, that is not even matter of debate. Everyone who cares to check can easily see that the man has been tanking on regular basis. And you must be really naive - or perhaps you're just Edju's real good friend, which would actually explain quite a few things - to believe that he finished 5th two seasons in a row by pure chance, or as you put it, by "tanking the last game of the season". But whatever, I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind when you clearly have no interest in doing so.

There is another possibility - maybe those VIP sits were bought by season ticket holders and are filled every game no matter what?

Now, that is a possibility. Definitely. But still, how many season ticket holders you assert he has? 10K? 12K? 15K? Unlikely. But listen, we can do this all day long - you obviously think that BB is doing a great job in this respect - carrying that LA title, I would be surprised if it were different - and me on the other end - having no obligation to any sponsors - I think that this is just another thing that BB have failed at this season. Let's just leave it at that :-)

No, don't get me wrong; just because I'm LA and Mod, that doesn't mean I blindly follow whatever BBs are doing. It's not like they would can me if I criticize a bit, haha

I'm trying to find a rational reason for such fans' behaviour just for the sake of it and not to defend BB. Btw, in this season I have enough good players for playing 2 competitive games/week, so I chose to try to win all games on the road to gain good attendance. It helped, but not a lot. In the meanwhile, my merchandise was jumping up like mad, probably because I have a U21 player who always starts for U21 NT. But lately, I (intentionally) lost three games in a row, however I'm still in the cup. Do you want to see my merchandise from last four weeks?

47k
54k
61k
47k

I mean...what the heck? I can't believe such a drop in merch is possible and I criticize that despite being a LA. So maybe there is irrational reason also for this guy who gets max attendance despite tanking.

Some things are worth criticizing and some are not, I guess (for example the training delays). But before screaming "I got robbed!", I always try to find a rational reason for it...

I am suffering around 15% drop in both attendance and merchandise. Last week won borth games against higher ranked teams than i am and still merchandise droped from 31k to 26k.... and fans attendance from 6.2k to 4.9k in bleetchers, thats weird.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 12/5/2011 10:04:27 AM

How do you tank with 300k weekly salary?

And you must be really naive - or perhaps you're just Edju's real good friend, which would actually explain quite a few things - to believe that he finished 5th two seasons in a row by pure chance, or as you put it, by "tanking the last game of the season".

When did I say, either implicitly or explicitly, that he wasn't trying to finish 5th?

But whatever, I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind when you clearly have no interest in doing so.

My mind is certainly open to debate. It usually takes a better analogy than chrome treadmills and snails to sway my opinion though.

Believe me, Edju tanked more than just one game. Like, that is not even matter of debate. Everyone who cares to check can easily see that the man has been tanking on regular basis.

In his previous two seasons, which you referenced in your initial post, Edju lost one game by more than 40 points - the last game of season 17. There's a difference between what Edju did at the end of the last two seasons and what Jason is doing right now. The game results are different, as is the purpose of losing. Rightfully, at least in my opinion, Jason and Heathcoat are being punished a little more severely.

Debating over Edju misses the point that tanking teams like Jason's are still making too much money. If the BB's aren't going to address arena revenues for teams trying to relegate, then the salary floor should be raised to something like this:

Division I: 160% of TV money

Division II: 140% of TV money

Division III,IV: 120% of TV money

Division V,VI: 100% of TV money

I think what some people are missing is that your record is not the strongest factor in ticket sales.

It is your opponent and how strong they are.

What is silly to me is, a guy giving out 25-0's all seaosn gets anywhere close to full revenue. The prize for moving up a divison should be that you have the CHANCE to compete from revenues. NOT being GUARANTEED more revenue.

The way the game is now just glosses over farm teams. A guy moves up, dumps his good players, buys draftees and runs them the whole season while collecting first division revenue. And when i guy that is trying losses a tough game to a superior team, we face a penalty in the next games ticket sales.

Why should a guy consistantly losing by 75 points (or worse 0-25 every game) have an even remote chance of matching my revenues when im putting a legit team on the floor?

This game doesnt adjust well from ticket sales in corellation with will loss record.

Two losses in a row affect your ticket sales more than 6 wins in a row...especially losses on Saturday.

Nothing is more irritating than going into a game you 100% know the other team is using for training and they benefit from the popularity of your team...yet when they come to your arena, you do not benefit.

Why should a weaker team make more for me going to their arena than i make from them coming to mine?

You lose a game 0-25, or by 50+ points it should hit you. You lose 2/3 or more, it should hit you hard...and for the rest of the season.

Farm teams with 200k in salary stacking money because they are in the top divisions without even trying to win for a season. These teams should NEVER see 400k in a home game, much less 500k.