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As you said, 1st division is 1st division. But I'm not agree. Here in Spain, If you want to say in the 1st division you must be better than 6000 teams. In other countries, you only must be better than 50 or less. So, I can not understand how the TV/merchandising/arena incomes are the same in Spain and in a country with only 23 teams. This is the least realistic part of this wonderful game.

but you don't have to play those Teams, so the higher income didn't really affect you.

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Now I am the 285th in the world. Past season I lost the semifinals of Spanish 1st division and I started in V division some seasons ago. A team from a small country can be the 50th of the world because has won the league in the 1st division of a contry with only 25 teams. I have proved that I'm better than 6000 people. The winner of this country only has proved that he's better than 25 people. I think that the raking is not very realistic as well.

i think you could get lot more "points" for cup runs, so that teams in big countrys normally get more Points for achieving the same succes then in smaller countrys if the system is in somekind similiar to the NT ranking. But yes it is easier to promote there to good rankings then in a big country through the div 1 games. But how you want to decide such things, because it is hard to compare it in formulas - if you make it depending on the size of the country purely a great manager in a small country can not achieve something.

The 12% of the teams from Cymru play the B3. The 0,0003% of the teams from Spain do it. I think that this is not fair and this is not good for the B3.

Now the B3 is full of teams without experience in the game. They have a lot of money because they play in the 1st division of their countries. Sometimes they haven't a lot of hard rivals, so they can think only in the B3, playing relax they competition and going hard in the B3. At the same time a team from a big country can not play at his best because his competition is harder than B3. And this is why the B3 has no interest for the comunity.

It is a cup of champions, and the champs are playing there ;) And maybe the only good competition you could get in small countrys, but you mentioned it with the focus on this tournament. So without it, maybe those teams haven't a reason to play BBB anymore because most games are boring which won't help BB to grow in this countrys.

But here is maybe the only competition betwenn small and big countrys, where the econic sitution is an advantage for the small ones, but to make them uncompetive and aren't giving him the possibilities to earn the same like his opponent won't be a solution either.

Finally we agree in something :)

Now merchandise: I have 2 players that are playing in my NT (1 starter for U21, the other for the NT, who is playing always). My half players are Cypriots, 1 of them is with my team since i started, 3 came from the draft, 1 from the market. All those are getting playing time with my team (plus 1 player for the friendlies). With all that my merchandise profit varies from 97-117k max.

Mode-MOS is playing since season 3. I am playing from the half of the season 6. My arena is 18500 sits. Every season i am investing more than 800k on my arena. Yes my profit is very good compared to other him but i am sure that except from my arena (your choice to expand it) my income is much lower than larger countries 1st div.

They are lots of things that i dont like on the game and i would like to change, but not this one. I think that is pretty fair.

They must keep some balanced. Already the bigger countries have more income. But if that deference be larger then the small countries we are in a big trouble. The prices of good players will go even higher, and the small countries will end up with worse players in general. So rich getting reacher. You know in NBA how the draft works. They are giving the chance to weaker teams to get the best player and be some kind of balance.

An other benefit that large countries have is the draft. As Cyprus we have 16 players 18 y/o in our database, and 3 of them with save them from the bot teams inviting them to our NT. So for us is harder to find local good players,(less merchandise income) and our NT is much weaker than the bigger in general.

I dont think that you want the game to be a game for USA/Germany/Greece/Italy and 3-4 more countries with strong base.

You have to think of the model in a different way. Think about it more like: the level of fan interest is about the same in every country. There is only enough interest in every country to support 16 division I teams, 64 division II teams, etc. The only difference is that more people want to own teams in Italy and the USA, for example. Maybe that's because they get tax breaks for owning teams or something. Lucky bums. ;-)

merchandise, and TV revenue,

There is already something like this in place for merchandise and TV revenue to some degree. Perhaps you would like to see it pushed further, but that's another story. There is also an advantage for bigger countries as they have a bigger pool of home grown talent to pick from, which gives another bonus to merchandise.

However, it should not really be a big issue for you. Unless you play in the B3, you are only playing against teams from your own country and only have to compete with them to get to the top.

Yes but again the champion/tournament winner playing on BBB too. Why not have the chance to be competitive?

About the reality. Hellas is relative small country (around 10-11M) but Greek NT's (youngsters too) are very successful internationally. (Last summer where 2nd on U18 world, 1st in Europe U19). Dont forget that Greek NT has won USA in Japan without having a single NBA player on the squat.

Actually the best team in Europe last 15-20 years (Euroleague winers, Final 4 etc) its a Greek team (Panathinaikos).

So the reality its not what you are saying.

Think about it more like: the level of fan interest is about the same in every country. There is only enough interest in every country to support 16 division I teams, 64 division II teams, etc.

I disagree with this. I think the number of teams that are registered does reflect an abstract metric of fan interest relative to BB.

My country have only 800.000 population, 70+ teams USA has 300M. So by percentage the interest in my country about the game is bigger than yours.

So, I can not understand how the TV/merchandising/arena incomes are the same in Spain and in a country with only 23 teams.

I also do not know why there are no teams from Spain in the top 10 of the world. Sure, competition is tougher, but the USA got 2 teams, also being one of the best and largest countries. Germany got one, Hellas got one. Portugal got one. Those are all big countries. Maybe it's not the system, maybe it's the manager's culture. We saw Italian teams being dominant a few seasons ago, but then their competition got tougher. This lead to managers strengthen their line-ups, instead of expanding arenas. Germany was doing the opposite, and increased their revenue by a lot, they caught up with Italy in no time.

Managers culture????

I lost by one, 104-105, to the Number 1º of the world in his court with my entire team in respectable game shape. (19970605)
I had that game shape because I didnt want to lose ACBB league, and if I want to be competitive in the B3, Im forced to pass cup games, wich means that Im forced to overplay my guys resulting in demential game shapes.
There is one way to play the B3 in good game shape and be able to win it, playing the relegation PO of my league. But if this happens I wont have the incomes that people from easy leagues has, and I will be less cometitive for the future.

They can TIE all their league/cup matches, they can train what they want and they have huge incomes because they have always positive records (most of the time full wins). Also they are not forced to pay huge salaries while they dont play B3 and they can spend the rest of the year saving money.

You are playing with maxed out prices in a sold out 11k arena in Spain, I guess that's where you lack of income comes from. You might start to expand your arena.

If he invest in stadium he goes straight to the 2nd division, he has to sell actives to do it. Our current money is close to 0 (huge competition forces us to spend all we have to remain competitive). I know that playing in Cyprus with a roster that costs weekly less than 150k while you save money allows you to build your stadium in 2 seasons but this doesnt happen in Spain, where most of the top players started in a Vth division.

If a great player starts in a small paradise and optimizes his strategy with the training and his wages the time he doesnt play the B3 he will be able to dominate easily the game. Luckily we dont have lots of elite managers in little countries, is easier to see them in huge comunities, we are more, statistically we have more type of players, but if a guy optimizates his strategy in a little country we could say good bye to the B3 for 10-15 seasons in a row (until he gets bored).

Also the HCA in 1/4 finals or 1/8 finals is something that I really cant understand. Today, most of the top teams can easily beat anyone of the world in his court. I really thought that this year I had a team to fight for the B3, but in this conditions is imposible for me, unless I have court advantage in key matches and good game shapes (not compiting in my country league).