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#4 is a must! as discussed here: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=261941

Seriously. Free TO for no reason. You see this in real life once in a blue moon.

I doubt that's the case. I can't think of any free online manager game that has some kind of live 2D game view.

I doubt that's the case. I can't think of any free online manager game that has some kind of live 2D game view.

I know that a couple of (American) football simulators have had that - I know for a fact goal line blitz did, for example, as well as another one that actually allowed you to even create plays. The problem (in my opinion) is that the game was sort of founded based on Hattrick, which doesn't actually simulate anything even remotely similar to (the rest of the world) football, instead just coming up with random numbers to check against a possession break down, and then random numbers to check attack vs. defense in a specific sector, with other random checks for special events. The engine itself could probably be repurposed easily to simulate fencing, with the input of left/center/right attack and defense replaced with high/low/center (or something appropriate), midfield replaced with perception or some such, and so on. BB's engine is much better than that just because a mismatch can actually be exploited (see a big men that can shoot some from outside in an outside offense guarded by a 1 OD tree), but it's not to the level you'd see in Football Manager, for example, where all player movements are simulated.

It would be nice if it could get to that level, of course, but it'd be an amazingly large amount of work and resources invested into that, and I doubt it's likely to ever happen here.

I don't think that making such engine requires amazingly large amount of work. You don't have to come up with Football Manager like simulation from the start. Just make some crappy optional one, and update it gradually. That's still better than what most games have.

By the way, there was Football Manager Live with both 2D and 3D engines. Game was pay-to-play and despite the popularity of the whole game series, this one still died.

I don't think that making such engine requires amazingly large amount of work. You don't have to come up with Football Manager like simulation from the start. Just make some crappy optional one, and update it gradually. That's still better than what most games have.

By the way, there was Football Manager Live with both 2D and 3D engines. Game was pay-to-play and despite the popularity of the whole game series, this one still died.

I think the difference is that in HT and BB, the result of the play is determined by random numbers and then an appropriate bit of text to describe it is pulled up - so any visual representation of an engine would have to just pull from an animation that matches the result, rather than how SI does it with FM, where the player skills and decisions determine the movement of the players and the ball.

And yeah, FM Live was dying out at about the same time as HT Open (I think that's what it was called) launched. I kind of think that if SI can't make it work with their staff, it's probably not possible, even though I do wish they'd given the NHL:EHM franchise a little time.

keep it coming guys..

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