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293788.68 in reply to 293788.67
Date: 6/19/2018 3:44:40 AM
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Date: 6/20/2018 1:31:40 PM
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Thanks LordWoody we just got lucky πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„

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Date: 6/20/2018 3:48:16 PM
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Yeah unfortunately we suffered a bad loss to Australia. They deserved the fair victory and even if we managed to beat Hong Kong we are still in the mix since hk VS aus will decide our fate also.
Let's see which will be the truth....

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Date: 6/27/2018 7:56:50 AM
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While we are waiting for our official PR by pro shot, I will share my thoughts on the matches so far.
We managed to win against Hong Kong in a thrilling final quarter. Our choice was to push the ball in order to improve our scoring rating without forgetting our defensive side which was brilliant thanks to our more effort too. Something bad instead happened on the offensive and it can be addressed also in Mondays match against uae.
We are able to produce many points from our pg or sf and of course our big man too are capable, but we're experiencing pure panic on our shooting guard role.
The reason to me is quite a mystery since ratings are quite good, Ocampo matchup rating against uae was really high and off the bench leocadio did fine. But Ocampo and before him Salinas too produced very low scoring %.
And that wasted our difference point a bit, because they took many shots unfortunately. Trying to imagine a flow, against uae our pg gotardo and gayoles took the majority of our shots, so they were less incline to allow our offense to flow better. Maybe Ocampo received bad shots selections or even was more incline to pass the ball rather than shooting identifying not a good matchup. But again not 1 out of 10 against a 4 outside Def.
He is 1/19 in his last two matches, a terrible scoring rate unfortunately and we desperately need points in order to reach the semifinal.

Top three against hk and uae:
1- defense: we are keeping our opponents always lower than 70 or 80 points. That would be amazing if on the offensive we can do a better job
2- rebounding: our big men are doing a great job overall. Even in bad days in shooting like manikan on Monday, he locked is opponent down. And all the rebounding we are getting are more shots from us and less shots for them.
3- bench: we have a well rounded team in which between bench and starters the difference is really light. We are going down against top teams because they have better starters (and it can be easily proved by the fact we are playing with 2 20yo in starters - Rios and Salinas - with one training season less than 21yo) but often our bench has positive plus minus and great impact on the match.

Flop three:
- ocampo: mentioned above. He is our Pick the brick winner trophy in the last days but I am confident he can be back on target. No blame on him, since it is the game engine who's fucking without a reason.
- gotardo and patient: gotardo loves to shoot. But there are better shooters. And so? Gotardo shoots anyway. πŸ˜‚
- foul trouble: against uae we helped them a lot with silly fouls. Guardia 5 fouls, lagare 5 fouls.. We allowed 33 free throws. A huge number compare to our 14.

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293788.73 in reply to 293788.72
Date: 7/2/2018 4:12:48 PM
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I am really angry about today's match because we wasted three great quarters with this fucking garbage time.
I posted again a suggestion to put it as optional since in U21/NT especially many times it happens that standings and medals are decided by difference points.
Like this time, and to waste a so good advantage because of this shitty and nonsense garbage is something which really makes me pissed of. It's not a complaint Asia-related, since other teams had garbage and our position cannot be addressed (only) to garbage losing points but it is a matter of logical sense vs idiotic game engine behavior.
That said, Australia took a huge risk by doing tie against HK. We needed AUS to win or to lose in a short range, instead they lose badly and we cannot manage to cross the 40 points in DP falling short a bit in the 4th quarter.
Now the situation is really painful, since we're second but not so ahead of Australia and quite too far away from Hong Kong.
So basically we lost only one match and we should finish 3rd if nothing strange happens.
Today I saw a bit of Philippines vs Australia and the huge fight, that reminded me a topic I kept hidden: fairness.
Against Australia there was a mutual tie agreement confirmed twice by australian coach who then decided to go Normal cheating his word. Nothing illegal, nothing would have changed (we needed a tie because we had Hong Kong the week after), but in a "no winning" game cheating your word is something I simply don't get.
Bad blood between Australia and Philippines, it seems so. I hope to have my revenge on the court, also because of today's brawl, revenge on BB, maybe revenge for GILAS too in the future!

This season was for me to learn a bit how ASia championship is all about. So I apologize if I made some mistakes or if the results will not be the one expected but as I said it is a longshot. I am working for the future and basically this roster was extremely weak (our current 20yo in a 5 on 5 match against the 21yo probably would win, that says much).
Few notes:
- we lack some managers to cooperate with us. Too many are still training multiple roles, which is really slow for U21 porpouses. Single role training with a good trainer level is the basis to produce world-caliber players. If you have the will to cooperate just contact us via BB Mail or via Discord, I would be extremely glad to provide training plans and so on. Just to provide you an example, my 18yo filipino Serg Cargado did 12 pops this season and there are still 2 weeks left. He crossed the 70 TSP at 18 yo.
- big men and primary skills: having all multi skilled big men is useless if we do not have the centerpiece. HK had a 1.5M DMI center, China two of them, Australia 2 too, without mentioning Taiwan. Our best big man reaches 800k DMI, rather a half of the others. That's because we have very good skillset all around but we lack primaries. Same goes on the backcourt, our 20yo have more OD than the 21yo, which is something pretty weird this season and will be pretty good the next one What I am trying to say is that we need to differentiate the trainings a bit.
- write me, I'm loving my days as your coach, I love my staff, I'm learning some filipino words (like Pepe @Gengi) and I would like to slowly introduce myself in your BB Life if you want. Next season i will begin to run some fantasy games if you like. But I'm always open for suggestion or whatever!

Thanks a lot for everything guys. Fingers crossed for next week!

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293788.75 in reply to 293788.74
Date: 7/3/2018 8:27:08 PM
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Ill chime in here as the Australian u21 coach. Ive been coach now for 10+ seasons, cant remember exactly how many. But you guys have always been my 2nd team. The main reason was the fun rivalry with coach morwood. So if we dont win the asain champs i always prefer you guys do.

Whinging on forums about managers is a dog act and i wont get involved. Mutual TIEs are sent by poor managers that cant play the BB game and need to try and control both teams. Its like saying we cant beat you, so can you not try too hard? We are allowed to play whatever tactics we want. Please dont try and control our team to benefit you, becsuse it is not what is best for us.

Good luck and i hope to see a Philippines v Aus final, as i always do!

Whitewind
Aus u21 manager


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293788.76 in reply to 293788.75
Date: 7/4/2018 12:47:37 AM
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In fact I didn't blame you nor whine here. If you can read you can see "nothing illegal but cheating your word makes me sad in a no winning game".
We already talked quite much about it and I didn't even mention it on the forum until the very end since it was a crucial part of this season.
If you would keep your word we would have had more difference points in the standings. Quite clear.
You did not and this is the situation. So we need to wait for next week to see who will get to the semis but yeah, your opponent is quite easier than ours and hks.

It was funny to see Thon Maker so hyped to kick while during the nba season at times he seemed quite lazy. πŸ˜‚
A huge talent indeed but I didn't get the start of the brawl.

Edit: just to say. I love rivalry too, even when they are not friendly anymore. So I can't wait for the next time we will play against because I will get my revenge or at least I will try to. πŸ˜‚
It's funny you are treating the mtie like this, you can go whenever between USA France Spain Lithuania Italy Poland and so on and this is common practice. Not to convince you it is what you like. But at least to "slow down" your offensive terms about mtie is something for bad managers. Since basically we won everything.

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293788.77 in reply to 293788.74
Date: 7/4/2018 12:52:04 AM
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Me and whitewind too except for this time. And as I said, nothing against rules but you know, I am an old guy who thinks his word counts. When I say yes (twice) for me it is yes.
I repeat myself, nothing would have changed since we were out of shape, had very few choices and Australia basically is too strong right now. Nguyen maybe is better even combining two of our players in the backcourt and the same goes inside at least for what dmi says about Frink. So even tie tie i am quite sure Australia would have won.
Less difference points for sure indeed. And now that counts quite much, don't you think?
So if I have to do an analysis of the season this is indeed a fact. Then I have no complaint, I already had rough talk with whitewind, he thinks he was right I think he was not. That's it 😊

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