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Ultimately I just think we need to have more public discussion about the fact that a race to 21 is not always the best use of a good trainee, for either the owner or the US community.

The race to 21 is by default simply because there is a defined ceiling the players can reach. Change the age, you change the race. Creating a strong player by 21 then filling out the rest of his skills as he gets older seems like a solid foundation for growth. The problem comes in with the successes or failures the teams can have.

It's ok to have a different philosophy. You can make the "jack of all trades" players and they will master at nothing. The more experienced players have tried those balanced theories and have wasted money because of various reasons. I am saying more experienced because I am sure 5-6 seasons ago, I had the same conversation with other managers in the game.

He who gets to the finish line with the most toy's wins! It's the difference between a top 10 team winning with regularity versus a top 50 team that wins when it's able to manage every aspect of the game perfectly and hope for some help by the top 10 team stumbling.

I gotta be honest I didn't read all of the debate thread but I did read the speeches.

I like some of the things jfriske is saying about developing for the NT. I don't however think it has to be one or the other. Have we thought about how potentials play into things? At this point like everyone knows you basically have to be MVP or hall of fame potential to make the NT. But what about all of those lower level guys? They can still be useful and finding the dynamic between being a useful NT and useful U21 player will be interesting. Basically why not focus the training of the higher potential players on NT goals and the lower potential players on U21 goals?

I am fully confident in Jelme returning as coach. I think he is doing a fine job and agree with atabakin (I think?) about needing probably two terms to judge him.

I haven't heard much from Bobo's regarding the NT in the past but he certainly has the pedigree and has proven to be successful time and time again.

And in response to all candidates you'll have my support as a trainer/mentor/advisor whatever you want to call it. I'll try to get more involved in the tactical discussions going forward but no promises there.

Hey guys so I slept on it last night and I've decided to withdraw myself from this election and end my polarizing campaign. It basically came down to two things:

1) It seems like forum posts and discussions, mentoring, outreach, etc could be just as effective in getting new managers to consider some of the training changes we've been talking about without causing all the strife involved in changing the U21 team. And at the very least, those things should be given a chance to work before doing anything drastic.

2) I think the tradition of giving a manager two terms is a good one, especially for the U21 team. I know I would be trying to get a second term myself if I'd been elected. Besides that, I think Jelme has done a good job running the team so far. He also clearly understands the traps young managers can run into when training U21 players and I think, given the conflicting mandates of winning vs. helping managers build something sustainable, he's worked hard to do a pretty admirable job of balancing both.

I want to thank everybody for taking the time to read my posts and debate though, it was fun (and a little stressful!) and it helped me clarify some ideas and begin to form some new ones. Hopefully it made the election a bit more interesting at least for a day or two. Also like everyone else, I am excited to see what Rainey and Trickle can do this season!

@Jelme - how would you grade your performance - honestly from Game 1 to season 13 end. Do you really think Season 15 will be any different than season 13? The names may change but how are you going to get more out of the community?
Why should you be given another chance?

@Bobo - How fast can you get up to speed? 7 months is a long time, but the U21 schedule is already out, you have no scrimmage next week and little idea who the players are (based on what you said)

@both - what about your own teams? how are you going to pull double duty?

I am trying to take you seriously but have a hard time when say you are not pleased with the performance, you play the game to win, but feel the tenure is incomplete and deserves another chance.

Are we endorsing or are we condemning?

Season 12: A+
The tournament went almost exactly as I expected. We had good turnout at the games. I got a lot of BB-mails out and got responses from tons of owners. No tactical mistakes.

Season 13: C
I still got a ton of BB-mails out and got a response from a lot of them. The timing of the games made me miss a good portion of them, but the ones I got to were not well attended. The offsite dragged a bit. Tactically I made a few errors. The team still ended up about where they should have in terms of talent. Honestly, we were 8th best in terms of talent. Especially with Anglin being a GS disaster. Passing grade, but not a successful season.

Honestly, I'm as good or better than anyone until we get the charismatic cheerleader of a man into the position that can get involvement sky high. Team management is not a problem. I pulled an Edju and lost in the first round of the playoffs despite having HCA throughout. So this season should be pretty smooth. If I make it to D2 for next season, I'll be much more prepared than I was in Season 12.

BTW, I love Buck Santos.

Last edited by Dawson at 10/8/2010 2:06:40 PM

I pulled an Edju and lost in the first round of the playoffs despite having HCA throughout.

You know, I do read these forums.

Doesn't change the fact that your about as good of a manager as Isiah Thomas. You "claimed" that your team sucked because you focused on the NT yet once you stopped you team managed to demote shortly after..

Doesn't change the fact that your about as good of a manager as Isiah Thomas. You "claimed" that your team sucked because you focused on the NT yet once you stopped you team managed to demote shortly after..

Who are you?

Hey you...GM-Fatcurry and BB-Edju. Can you please take your little girl fight somewhere else. This is a thread for intellectual debate.

@Coco
Missed your earlier post. I really don't see myself being at a disadvantage tactically to Bobos. Just a matter of opinion. I honestly don't know much about Bobo beside that he has been in either NBBA or D2 since I started playing. His team never jumped off the screen enough for me to investigate it to figure out what was happening. I can't really speak to what he lacks, but I know that his experience in D2 and NBBA is not a huge advantage for him over my experiences.

vote for me me i smell an undefeated season'