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Now, I'm a bit of a dinosaur in how long I've been here, and leaving and coming back and leaving and coming back and etc.


But I recall, there used to be friendly competitions for free-supporter for years, months, etc.

For people whom trained the Best U21 player, or NT player, or had the best year of improvement in training for X age group or Y age group etc.

Put bluntly: Bribing people to become more interested in U21/NT. It worked, it has some effectiveness, but ultimately, it got people's attention.

Some people will never pay for supporter themselves... but once they win it, seeing all the differences and such from having it vs not, it can renew or create a vigor in people for BB getting them more into it. Or atleast, that's how it worked for me so many years ago...

The problem is that its glorified this game ain't no real world experiment that where all the 1% gets all the money buzzer beater is not a good example of that and will never will be. Too get a good 80+ player you need a mil minimum because of how every1 in this game have millions such the value of a million dollar income on buzzer beater is deflated.

Offsite is still being used don't get this stuck in your head... That you are the only one that is using the off site!!! As I don't see your diaries in the club section rather than just posting in the National team forums. Hence the 1% of the game that only applies to the tankers who take the easy way out which is the reason why you won the national team election no???

Why are you arguing with Saharan he is a proven winner unlike somebody and has stayed in the game far more than you... If by any means you need to ask him how to win at club level at a macro because I am pretty sure he has won a B3 which is very hard to do realistically..

You don't advertise at all... Unless you think private forum is advertising and that is a understatement. Coach Lambini is the only one who has a reasonable solution to advertising while you didn't deliver on this matter...

There’s nothing wrong with a group chat. One of my favorite functions of the offsite back in the day was the chat room. A group chat is not a very effective way to disseminate information, track data, and interact with a wide range of people, however.

The beauty of the offsite is that it’s easy to find information for all sorts of things, from U21 and NT tactics, to training diaries, etc. I think it’s less intimidating for a new person and contains helpful information for figuring out how the game works.

Like you said, it’s woefully out of date. But the functions that the offsite serve are way more important than what Discord can do.

Someone needs to unify the communication venues, tools available, and database for the US. That’s a time-consuming task and doesn’t even address the need to build a base of high-level users to train players once they turn 22. Nor does it consider the builds those players should fit into. Maybe these discussions happen on Discord, but the average user wouldn’t know. No one with the exception of Dwight has mentioned any of this stuff and even his answers were pretty basic.

Community involvement is necessary for success at the U21 level, as anyone can train a U21 player. To succeed at the NT level, you don’t need more than a dozen high-level managers dedicated to training the right builds from 22-26 YO seasons.

I can name over a dozen US managers that have trained and are training NT talent and I am one of those managers. A few managers could get the job done, sure, and they have — we’ve won a s28 World Cup and had chances to win more; however that is simply not enough. In real life, the USA NT has greatly benifited from a deep and talented player poll, by far the best, which is why we are a powerhouse compared to other countries. Moreover, as one of the largest macro nations in this game BB-USA needs to make use of it’s large community of managers in order to train more prospects and deepen our NT player poll and overall talent level. Again, the more the better.

Also, this age 22-26 NT training plan is not economical and is absurd; It is much too expensive to flat out acquire a 22 year old NT prospect (and rare at that). Ideally, you want to train from age 18-32 and ride your prospects up to the NBBA, methodically building your team around your trainees as they progress. That way you have more money to spend on your supporting cast of players.

Discord is nothing more than a glorified group chat. I don’t understand why it’s pushed over the offsite. You’re right, the offsite was key to our success. I think it still stands as a key tool for us to move forward. Yet, it’s not advertised at all.

While I’m not particularly a fan of the discord chat in it’s entirety, it allows managers to be helped quickly and effectively in real time and it has attracted an incredible amount of managers which is great. I believe both platforms are great for community growth and NT progress; both cites are advertised in the forms and by BB-Mail, active managers should have no problem finding these cites. Discord app is easier to sign up for which is great for new managers as many had grown frustrated with the US offsite sign up process.

Last edited by A-Dub at 1/9/2018 9:51:38 PM

We won the S28 World Cup because for 10 seasons prior, immense amounts of planning and training went into creating a team of uniquely built players designed for a specific style of play. We didn’t win, because we’re a large country. We won, because a small group of managers had vision and buy-in. Their entire goal was to win a world championship.

A-Dub, you’re not training NT players. You’re training U21 players. Once your MVP and HOF potential players hit 22-23, you’ll be unable to afford them, unless you’re in D2 or D1. It takes committed, high-level managers to finish out the training of NT players. Anyone can train U21 players. I’d be willing to bet there are no more than 5 managers training NT players right now. The sacrifice and commitment it takes to train NT players with 150+ TSP is immense.

If we’re going to return to glory, it will take someone with vision who puts together a dedicated team of people that can rebuild the infrastructure, unify and expand Discord/the offsite, and plan for the future by motivating others to train NT players. Until that person shows up, a master of the GE like Sahand is our only hope to win.

The disconnect that exists isn't really between the offsite and the onsite, it's between the people the care about the NT/u21 and the people that don't, and perhaps those who care to play this actively versus those that do not. Thats my personal beliefs about the discord in it's current form aside.

What really should matter to people is knowing how to develop talent, because you can a) learn how to create salary efficient players with enough skill to carry your team and b) use the training exemption to get around the overextension tax that you pay when buying players to complete your competitive run. A lot of the information is free to those who go to the places it exists, and if that is the discord then maybe they should consider it. if it's the offsite, maybe they should consider that. If it's here, then perhaps they are set.

Whomever gets the job should focus on the following:

1) find interested owners that are developing NT talent right now.
2) attempt to reverse engineer what the best NT teams have done to get their talent where it is today
3) Work on the long term success of the plan.

I think it's difficult for someone to get there in one stint as the NT manager. It's a 5-6 season job, we won't see how good you really are outside of tactical prowess until many years later.

Last edited by FurY at 1/9/2018 11:42:17 PM