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201579.50 in reply to 201579.36
Date: 11/7/2011 3:10:56 PM
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Who are you to tell others people to stray or leave and to claim there is somthing like new competitive system. When such a thing as a thoughtful system doesn't even exist in your head?!
Nice try to turn things around...
You where the one who said the same thing on those who find current system not competative, I stated the same for those who will (cowardly) not like a more competative system.

This last sentence of yours is "a little" hypocryite.

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201579.51 in reply to 201579.37
Date: 11/7/2011 3:15:56 PM
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Of course such a goal requires certain skills that new managers are not capable to develop in a short period of time
And 13 seasons out of 17 is a short time???
There is not one teams from season 5-17 that is part of the "great 8" in the Bundesliga.

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201579.52 in reply to 201579.41
Date: 11/7/2011 3:29:01 PM
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Why is it "impossible"?
It is easy to implement, and will make the game more interesting.

It's impossible because of two reasons:
1) it's impossible ;-)
2) it's bad idea.
For example because then all effort of all managers to develop their teams will be wasted.
It isn't sprint, it's marathon.

Even a marathon ends after 42KM, and does not imply on the next marathon.
As most of the games featue ends for those teams during their run - cannot build more seats that will worth it, etc. it is reasonable that it will be reset.
And then again, there where other suggestions that you've decided to skip.

Somehow, the NBA thinks different

I'll ignore every "NBA argument". Realities in NBA and BB are completely different. And good things in NBA could be bad in BB. In NBA we have the same teams for long time, there are only 30 teams and we want every team could compete with others. In BB we have many users, new users and new manager could join in every moment.
There is no differnce in this sence.
1) Having several divisions does not affect the efficiency. How does it?
2) This will do just that allow them to compete - instead being able to invest all money gain due to season's differencial, the team that will invest more (by definiton above the cap) will pay for the league (meaning those who has less on that league), and by definition will make the game more competative.

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201579.53 in reply to 201579.42
Date: 11/7/2011 3:42:59 PM
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1) As you are only being argueing against the first systme suggested and ignoring the second, I'll repeat it;
"Reset all team's assets every few seasons."


Great. Let's destroy all semblance of long term planning and make this an instant gratification game instead because we somehow want the newer users to compete quickly.
No, it does not destroy it.
The teams that started on those early seasons are at the same state - no change on seats, etc.
Even a marathon ends after 42 KMs, and a new one starts afterwards.

You will bother doing the same, as it doesn't mean that it will be reset each seasons.
Let's say that teams on DIV-I does not bother of training players from scratch.
They are no longer planing which seats to built, when, and on what expense.
This points that the marathos had long ago ended.

We are saying the good newer teams eventually get to the top, a check of my local league will tell you that it happens. All it takes is time and planning, elements that a lot of people do not possess.
I already gave two examples of leagues that I have checked.
I'm not going to take a look on another.

What you are basicaly suggesting is to play monopoly after one side already has the all city in his hands. And for several seasons.
What is the fun in that?
How is it competative?

Last edited by Pini פיני at 11/7/2011 3:43:37 PM

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201579.54 in reply to 201579.52
Date: 11/7/2011 3:43:51 PM
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You have to be the most frustrating user in the game, you make ridiculous proposals and suggestions and you defend them to death....

Check the Suggestions they are important
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201579.55 in reply to 201579.43
Date: 11/7/2011 3:54:15 PM
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2) Again, "amazingly" a team from the first division, that "amazingly" [I do like this word... :+)] are in this game since season-3, is against a new system for improving competativeness, and against a system that causes this disadvantage to those teams who started after the first few seasons.

Please, I already warned you to not get into that line of argumentation. You are basically saying that older teams are not allowed to participate in this discussion, since they are just protecting their advantage. That is silly. You do not understand the motivations of others.
This is a legitimate claim, which finds "amazingly" a corelation between two "phenomenons".

But I am very much against resetting the game all the time. This is a long-term game by design. A change you propose (which was flogged to death in the Suggestions forum) would require a huge change to just about everything in the game. You want to remove all long-term planning from the game. That is just not going to happen. Join some other game with a short-term game play.
It's just the same excuse due to the same reasons.
Most of the long-term planing ended for a team started on season-4, about 8 seasons ago.

Threre is no more seats being built.

There is no more new players (draftees) being trained from start.

Long-term planing does not mean that the planing is from here "untill death" (or being bored to death from an uncompetative game).
Reseting every few seasons will make it exiting for those who want a real entertaining and cometative game.

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201579.56 in reply to 201579.44
Date: 11/7/2011 4:01:15 PM
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Just as B.B.King pointed out it's not a sprint but a marathon,
nice conclusion btw.
Even a full marathon ends after 42KMs and the new marathon that will starts afterwards is not affected by that one who had ended.

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201579.57 in reply to 201579.46
Date: 11/7/2011 4:04:05 PM
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I just gotta say that if you spent half the time you do arguing in hte forums you'd be in D.1 in no time :P
So what you are saying that in germany there was not even a single team between season 5 to season 17 (13 seasons!!!) that had invested time or been good enough, and this is why I didn't find a single team between those seasons on the "great 8" conference in the Bundesliga.

Interesting...

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201579.58 in reply to 201579.57
Date: 11/7/2011 4:07:06 PM
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You keep going on and on about one conference in one top division. What about all the other top divisions?

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201579.59 in reply to 201579.51
Date: 11/7/2011 4:13:22 PM
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time is a relative term

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201579.60 in reply to 201579.47
Date: 11/7/2011 4:15:00 PM
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One of the reasons is that Canada is very weak in this game and has only 430 users.
Israel which is a very small country has 915.

How many old teams are part of the canadian BB teams is something that can be verified, but you can trust that this is one of the main reasons.

This will also imply that you will not be able to compete against teams from the same division from larger BB nations.

BTW, you know how did I know that I need to look at this information?
I looked at your TL, and didn't see something that looked like great investments (I mean expensive players and not that you have invested poorly).
Getting to an promoted with that type of players means that the competitors had not been to good.

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