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Just like the title says. change2/3zone to 2-3 man to man. It would help people use it more.

We already have man-to-man defense. It is called "man-to-man."

Last edited by Mike Franks at 11/19/2014 2:07:39 PM

you base two team for all of the BB teams who have lost using it . Is that your point? So 2% of success for 98% of no successful team using make it a fact ?

You neglect to say anything about them maybe knowing how to get it to work, skill talent. gdp. etc etc.. They haven't come out and said anything to help others? 2-3 zone does not work for majority of the teams on the game. Period!!

I'm not saying the thing works perfectly. I'm not saying it works well or doesn't need a fix. I am just trying to let you know that if your point was "all I see is mass loses for those who try to use it or mass debt" that perhaps you're not looking thoroughly enough to be definitive on the issue.

I have copied and pasted from a basketball site to express how it would work in the thread..

Without making a wall of text and numbers. I will repeat it. It starts out as man to man defense but if the foe is way to strong like (LI or run/gun) it will turn into a zone of 2/3, the best man to each defender or area according to skill of the foe, thus making the game honest in a skillful way or make them work harder to get a basket. 2/3 would work better

Gdp and stamina and game shape, player skills. proper bench rotation will still play a huge factor. So there's no advantage by the choice of the said defense.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 11/20/2014 5:50:28 PM

it would activate zone, If the foe is too strong.

Lets say for example. what im doing this season and seasons to come. I lined all my strong starters on the bench. and my weak trainee as leaders. Now when my real strong players player come in , it not a fair match just tactically brilliant on my behalf. This way heighten my tactical edge versus my opponent. all they can do is play the starter. but they cant , they have to get the 2nd wind.?

this 2-3 man/man would understand this and make it a fair fight my team would pay a huge price to play in such fashion. My stronger players will have to work harder. It will attack gameshape /stamina and skill of them .. Also a said zone now it will remain as such, it cant go back. It just would put the right people in the game versus the right foe like a man to man . The greater tactic will have to work harder if its to great with players.

Skills will play a factor ,game shape/ stamina. It will not always work right unless you have the skill and those other factors.. It would just make 2/3 more relevant to use.

Its not made up. one of best coaches in the usa run it for a high school . 2/3zone man to man is hybrid. North Carolina tar hell run it. The nba runs it as well.
2-1-2 is box inside 1... nothing more or less as I read about it.. Does that work on BB I don't know. I assume not because none is using it. I think I won 1 game with it in the past.


What BB is running is Syracuse Orangemen 2-3 zone. But thing is it need great guards to make it work also great Sb center . Same as the real Syracuse college team has in the real world. IN BB that's a quick trip to the poor house(debt). We need a hybrid, thats cheaper to afford. That what I brought to the table. I don't know why teams with good Id and od can not run 2-3zone and be effective? I saw one guy 2 season back in my old 4 league Lincoln Warrior playing base Offense and 2-3 zone and beat a good team in the playoffs to go to the championship. The top team at the time..? Is that the deal breaker? Stamina??. I don't know

Princeton today is different in basketball than when it was 1st introduced. The old Indiana coach Bob knights made a hybrid of that offense. He did very good. BB does not offer that hybrid but it should.

Is it easy to do, maybe and not. At same time the game is need to improve 2-3 zone. We need to discuss it and improve it. Im all for a hybrid , I'm not a fan 2-3 zone on bb in its current state.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 11/20/2014 8:07:11 PM

I guess you don't know basket ball as well beyond BB. as I do in reality. because I have know it very well played it for years on a college level, semi pro level in my youth. Basketball is as whole , uhm what the word im looking. Is "advanced" in play and schemes and etc in Usa. That's not being offensive it just 90% of the truth you wont read.


2/3 zone /m2m is a reality it not myth like BB aggressive players. Its actually ran in Nba today, college basketball. high schools , rec park all across the country. Again maybe not in japan. If you don't anything about it and dispute it, how does that make any sense.??. I wouldn't bring it up if it was fantasy ,what good does that do? This not" im right". your wrong debate. This is about ,,would this work on BB. How can we improve 2-3 zone. which does not have damn thing to with wrong or right in abias personal way but bettering the game over all for everybody.. I don't give damn about you in that aspect point ( personal) Im being cival here, because I don't.. So please don't flatter you self with the bs stance of a problem with me. This is about BB and 2-3 . not dating or making kissing noises or anything personal.


2-2-1 is nothing than more than box on BB. regardless of it being a very different defense in reality, which I noted if have some reading comprehension skills, in which I know you do have.. if you think that is not complicated, then why some managers here 8 yrs strong playing dont know to run it and others tactics... I find no merit in your 2k realism game arguement comment. If they can make something like box in 1 and low post and vast taxes. Then why not a hybrid defense of 2-3 zone defense or princeton?? oh because its hard to implement. ?? They can a create exempt taxes and the likes but cant improve the tactics. Which one do you think is harder to code.??

I haven't seen one comment on making them work from you? . You give me a whole new defense schemes. The problem with those is how are suppose they will work , If they cant get the ones they(we) have today to work? Were in the same boat with your own suggestion.

Why cant they hybrid the damn defense so it can work for the betterment of BB. Because it to hard code,??? You rather continue to create vast taxes and etc. Scale back every damn thing,but its to hard to code a tactic which is already on the dam game??


Btw If you don't want to discuss a problem . Just go further to my inbox,I will reply. Because respect is earned. Im not on your time when I speak to you or anyone for that matter. We can talk that if its a problem you have with me within that issues. Like men there in my pm.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 11/21/2014 2:54:51 AM

yer ive only ever heard of matchup zones in terms of hybrid zones.

The only reference on the internet that I can find to the text string search of "2-3 zone man to man hybrid" is on NBA2K14
Do you have a link or a reference that you can provide us? I am very curious about it - it perhaps has a different name that it is referred to. Maybe you are referring to the Point-zone, or 2-3 pressure zone.

Also im curious to know how you came to the conclusion that BB is running a Syracuse Orangemen 2-3 zone?

Either way, you are asking for an alternative to the standard 2-3 zone - I think it is a good idea but perhaps we need to be careful about throwing out the current 2-3 zone as being useful.

2-3 zone. But thing is it need great guards to make it work also great Sb center .

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IN BB that's a quick trip to the poor house(debt).

Sorta! but not really. People assume that in order to have a great SB center, that they have to take their current $150k salary C, and add another $100k salary worth of SB onto him in order to get him to work in a 2-3 zone. But this is not the case.

Use case - (and sorry to brag about my own player) - (32954007) - Currently pulling 12.0 average rating for this season (and averaging 2.9 blocks per game). $11k salary (although salary calc on current stats is probably closer to $15-$16k)
Compare this to the other U21 team members for Australia - eg: (32053428) - Pulls 12.5 game rating, has a $33k salary.
and same with all the other guys.

So yer, whilst i like the idea of an alternative 2-3 zone, id like to (and I've always said this) see the current 2-3 zone explicitly proven that its broken first, and I truly don't believe it is.

Someone posted a link copied from site early in the thread to explain it. I explained it again to manon. I don't know anything about a 2k video games, I looked that up and it based on real life from what I have seen.. I know of if it because I played basketball for years not because of any sim video game. I posted how this hybrid could work to improve 2-3. BB can make the right adjustments on 2-3 that we have to day. To get it to work.

The 2-3 on bb In my viewing is same as syracuse Orangemen 2-3 zone. If don't you have good guards or good sb center you cant be effective ,the one that are somewhat, I see have good stamina , good guards and good center/pf expensive teams. I understand levels of play will play a huge factor. I'm just speaking over all. "the highest level".. When syracuse lost they lost to a strong inside attack and mid range game. ( please see duke 2014 games as reference if you can) .. just like LI on BB. and that is how you lose on BB in same fashion. Some times brutally moe than reality

I do think its broken, I think its too expensive to run and needs to be adjusted. Like the guy said about tactics in another thread. Balance players is the key in all tactics. So if I make 2-3 defense, I wont have a 3-2 defense or man to man. So., I think we can come to the point of cost to afford which you did state and save everyone uneeded long paragraph by me..


Also This does not have to happen tonight or next week but its something bb should be thinking about. 2-3z just does not hold together in games. When it fail, it fails big time .. There is no come back. I don't know any other tactic to date on BB that's does that. I have 14 season under my belt that 3 real years going on 4 .If its not working on the lowest level versus bots , Then I don't even have to do anymore research.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 11/21/2014 3:37:08 AM