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From: Nick

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Date: 4/14/2018 4:30:56 PM
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The real root of the problem that nobody seems to understand in all of this has absolutely nothing to do with who specifically is running the team. The issue is that specific people will not ever train their players or their team in a way that gets them to the NBBA ever.


I respectfully disagree with you fury. I believe that the U21 staff's priorities are to reach out to managers and help them train solid players. If they say they don't want to train them, or if they say they want to train them differently then we would normally suggest, THAT IS THEIR DECISION. It is not our place to tell what they have to do. It's their team and their choice. It should be no concern to the U21 staff if a manager ever makes it to the NBBA or not. The NBBA has no connection with the U21 system. I personally have made it to d3 once in my 20 seasons as a manager. I never made NBBA. However I was still able to train multiple U21 players. If a manager wants our advice on how to run their club team, we can definitely offer it. But the difference here is we offer advice, not tell them what to do. There is a difference here. Tell them what you think they should do, and if they don't listen, then so be it. Walk away. The U21's concern should be solely focused on helping managers train solid players, and building connections with those same managers. If we criticize for never making it to the top, how will that make them feel? Personally, whenever a manager talked down to me before I was on the U21 staff, I found it offensive, and still have very little respect for the managers that did so. Every manager has their own ideas for a perfect player build, or the way that you should build your team for success. And that is fine. And if you want to share that idea? Great! But do not speak negatively about them just because they didn't do the same thing you suggested.

U21 is here to help... not to force. To all of those voters out there who are reading through this and taking sides, know I am not just another member of the "boys club." I have my own sets of beliefs and values. Sure some may align with a group of other managers, but as you see here, I can also be independent. I was a member of the scouting team while fury was manager. As anyone who read this post can see, I am not the same as him. We may both be from the "boys club," but we still have our independent beliefs.

And finally, I'd like to remind everyone that this whole situation that may or may not of happened, occurred in the past, with different staff members and a different head of staff. If I am elected, I guarantee that I will message all of my scouts personally to ensure nothing like this ever happens, either again or for the first time.


Help... don't force.
Thank you

Last edited by Nick at 4/14/2018 4:42:06 PM

From: FurY

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Couldn't care less about the u21 anymore or the u21 coaches past or present. the attitudes of people like you are why spain and france win time after time and the US will not win in most seasons, regardless of development strategies. If you don't like that there is one efficient way to train and math has proven otherwise, best look for a different game altogether, because math says it's true. The talk is nice but not worth much given it didn't work then and it won't work now. If you want to run for it and try you can, will not win gold.

There is a difference between being stupid, and being stubborn or self-centered, which is more of the accusation i have made in here. I'm guilty of it to, although this account has done nothing but develop u21 players since i returned so meh, i guess you win that argument since that is all you care about. Feel free to ask some NBBA or upper end D.II managers how they made it there, i don't think that many made it there without loading up at least a few million.

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From: RandyMoss

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Couldn't care less about the u21 anymore or the u21 coaches past or present. the attitudes of people like you are why spain and france win time after time and the US will not win in most seasons, regardless of development strategies. If you don't like that there is one efficient way to train and math has proven otherwise, best look for a different game altogether, because math says it's true. The talk is nice but not worth much given it didn't work then and it won't work now. If you want to run for it and try you can, will not win gold.


Interesting concept...
Try comparing YOUR player Pham. To MY player Routhier.

They're almost identical...

So,
that means.... its also your attitude why Spain and France win time after time.

From: RandyMoss

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There is a difference between being stupid, and being stubborn or self-centered, which is more of the accusation i have made in here. I'm guilty of it to, although this account has done nothing but develop u21 players since i returned so meh, i guess you win that argument since that is all you care about. Feel free to ask some NBBA or upper end D.II managers how they made it there, i don't think that many made it there without loading up at least a few million.



Funny... this looks like a U21 election debate thread...
not a Suggestion forum for "how to get to the NBBA"
try and stay on topic.

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How will you fix the problem of the U21 being single-handedly destroyed by me, Because of how I train players?

it has been brought to my attention, by Fury, that the entire hope of all USA u21 is apparently in my hands, and I am the one ruining Gold medals...

How will you guys re-rehabilitate me?

From: Nick

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Couldn't care less about the u21 anymore or the u21 coaches past or present.


With all due respect, if you couldn’t care less, then why are you commenting on the debate thread for the next U21 coach?

From: FurY

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I care about the u21 itself in truth, but i don't care about my reputation as a former manager or how it impacts future managers or past/present managers.

Whether you think my methods or my thinking is right or wrong, you still have to go and think about this argument that it's offsite versus onsite mentality and think.... What do Spain and France do? Do they post things on the forums and have no offsite at all? whether you agree with my argument or not, the whole "we have a cabal and they don't" isn't really true, and hasn't been.

The reality is you will have a percentage that use that argument as a reason not to develop players. Furthermore, you will lose several prime talents to inactivity, which is something that happens. My role in u21 going forward might not be much as my finances are in good enough shape to go ahead and work at promoting my team at this point, but consider what I've said as if you win the election you'll have to look at the same issues i dealt with several seasons ago and jk dealt with more recently.

From: Nick

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Ah I understand now. Thank you for the fair warning haha.

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