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From: Isaiah
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Date: 1/8/2018 9:40:09 PM
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Here’s my questions to all.

1) as NT manager what do you do when it’s a crucial game and all of the best players are in poor GS because all of their managers played them 90+ minutes the previous week?

2) What do you do when you have a few managers at NBBA level that think they know best and believe you should do a certain tactic however it continuously fails because truly there aren’t enough players built for it in our pipeline ( that sustain good GS).

3) What do you do when you know you are overly matched but all the fellow Americans continue to believe we have the best team and can beat everyone?

4) What do you do when you look into the pipeline and see that we only have a few great players compared to a whole team of great players for the other NTs?


Last edited by Isaiah at 1/8/2018 9:41:03 PM

From: Artie M
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Date: 1/8/2018 10:47:41 PM
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The idea of voting for a foreigner is anathema to me, but I’m voting for Sahand for the following reasons.

1. He’s a winner. He’s won every championship imaginable with NT-level players, which implies quite a few things about GE knowledge, player builds, etc.
2. He’s the only person running who is capable of owning an NT player, salary-wise. That may seem like a small deal, but it’s important for there to be at least a small group of owners willing to purchase American NT players for GS purposes, including the US manager.
3. He’ll command instant respect from anyone in the world who owns our NT players, due to his prestige.

To win at the national level, you need a small group of owners at the D1 and D2 levels who are committed to training MVP and HOF prospects from 22 to 26-27. When we were at our peak, Coco, Brian, Wozz, and a handful of others were doing just that. Bringing the forum back to life will do nothing for the NT. Discord is worthless. No one running has articulated anything remotely close to a step by step process to rebuild prominence.

Thus, I’m voting for Sahand.

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Date: 1/8/2018 11:04:48 PM
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1),2),3),4). I am guessing these are the worst case scenarios. All are tricky points of contention for those who wish to be in contention.

1) you dress the guys who you must have, consequences be damned. But this would be where I would look at the bench and in the pipeline to see who's GS and DMI suggest who might be able to rise to the occasion and for your Mainstays who are to not be as effective as they might you use them in a reserve role to maximize their efficiency. If this means taking an enthusiasm drop in order to field the best team possible then this is just the way it must be.

2) God could come down himself with tactical advice. But if it is not tenable then you have to go with your gut.

3) look for a weakness and work with the community's to figure out a way to exploit those shortcomings.

4) if life gives you lemons you make lemonade

Last edited by Coach Lambini at 1/8/2018 11:29:18 PM

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Date: 1/8/2018 11:13:55 PM
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DMI is basically Buzzer beater IQ equivalent it has nothing to do with gameplay just how the engine rolls the dice.

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Date: 1/8/2018 11:56:42 PM
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All excellent questions and definitely scenarios where previous NT experience comes into play.

1) This where game planning and knowledge of the GE come into play. Even if the GS outlook is bad, you have to be willing to use unconventional set ups and exploit the opponent. What I did when I was manager was pick a set of players that allows us to be flexible with how we set up. So, yes GS can be bad but you have to be able to adjust the gameplan on the fly and be creative in these situations.

2) You should not cave in to what others say if you know that it is wrong. You’re ultimate goal as NT manager is to win golds not try to please everyone. So you have to be willing to make those hard decisions. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t accept advice/criticism but if from your experience you know something is definitely wrong for that situation, you should not do it.

3) and 4) This is where community involvement comes into play. Look at the NT’s like China. They have it running like a well oiled machine because many managers are contributing. The fact of the matter is you need a committed user base for the NT to be successful because that’s the source for NT quality players. The NT coach needs to spearhead that effort by engaging the community and keeping an open line of communication. Also you need to keep everything up to date and organized in the pipeline using the Bronson (our US player database). This allows the NT coach to track the players and have a vision of how not only current players will be used but how younger players should be trained to sustain a long term goal of success for the team. I think that on these two fronts I succeeded in my term setting up the building blocks for the future. I am sure Isaiah would have continued on that if it weren’t for the personal stuff he had to deal with. These are the two main aspects to ensure long term success. We need to focus on that if we want to get on track to win multiple World golds because the foundation is still not fully in place for that to happen.

Whoever takes over will need to have a long term vision because there is still a lot of work to be done to reach a level of sustainment.

Last edited by Dwight Coward at 1/9/2018 12:02:50 AM

From: A-Dub

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Date: 1/9/2018 2:55:19 AM
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Bringing the forum back to life will do nothing for the NT. Discord is worthless. No one running has articulated anything remotely close to a step by step process to rebuild prominence.


Respectfully, I’d have to disagree with you. I believe that the offsite and discord app channel serve as valuable platforms for managers seeking advice and are vital for NT success. I find that the manager’s whom gravitate to these offsite platforms are dedicated and active BB-USA community memebers looking to improve, and these are the managers I willingly offer my advice to. The success of the USNT can be largely contributed to the group of managers on the US offsite over the years. Moreover, these platforms are great because you have many experienced managers crowdsourcing their opinions for all to read and have access to.

I understand what it takes to train top NT talent. I know how to build a successful team in a competitive macro nation (centered around homegrown prospects). I know how to amass a large sum of money which is neccesssry to purchase the level 6 and 7 trainers needed to develop elite NT prospects. I provide this information to all US managers seeking it. I want to see the USNT become a world power and that is dependent on our community at large understanding how to train and compete at a high level, but they have to want it. I’m just one of the many passionate manager’s with USNT ambitions; the more managers with my passion and experience the better. That’s the key to NT success.


"You will lose." -Ivan Drago
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Date: 1/9/2018 3:39:47 AM
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Still, I stand corrected in implying your inexperience at the NT level.



Iranian managers are NOT inexperience at NT level , just we dont have enough good players for winning international titles with our NT ...
you implied that Iran is a micro nation many times , but there are many micro nations , why we won 5 B3 title while others cant do it ? :D
you implied that Iran is a micro nation many times , but why we are always one of the best NT teams in Asia ?

see the results of Nigeria NT in season 23,25,27,29,31 ... they always were in 7or8 place in first stage :D they reached final game in season 33 ... guess who was their NT coach in season 33 ? yes yes , I was ...
only one African NT reached to WC with WC-Repechage ... see the repechage game in season 10 ... guess who was their NT coach ? yes , I was :D

in fact we are really good managers and Sahand is a Legendary ones ... give him the chance ... he knows the GE better than anyone I know ...



From: Artie M

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Respectfully, I’d have to disagree with you. I believe that the offsite and discord app channel serve as valuable platforms for managers seeking advice and are vital for NT success. I find that the manager’s whom gravitate to these offsite platforms are dedicated and active BB-USA community memebers looking to improve, and these are the managers I willingly offer my advice to. The success of the USNT can be largely contributed to the group of managers on the US offsite over the years. Moreover, these platforms are great because you have many experienced managers crowdsourcing their opinions for all to read and have access to.



Community involvement is necessary for success at the U21 level, as anyone can train a U21 player. To succeed at the NT level, you don’t need more than a dozen high-level managers dedicated to training the right builds from 22-26 YO seasons.

Discord is nothing more than a glorified group chat. I don’t understand why it’s pushed over the offsite. You’re right, the offsite was key to our success. I think it still stands as a key tool for us to move forward. Yet, it’s not advertised at all.

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Respectfully, I’d have to disagree with you. I believe that the offsite and discord app channel serve as valuable platforms for managers seeking advice and are vital for NT success. I find that the manager’s whom gravitate to these offsite platforms are dedicated and active BB-USA community memebers looking to improve, and these are the managers I willingly offer my advice to. The success of the USNT can be largely contributed to the group of managers on the US offsite over the years. Moreover, these platforms are great because you have many experienced managers crowdsourcing their opinions for all to read and have access to.



Community involvement is necessary for success at the U21 level, as anyone can train a U21 player. To succeed at the NT level, you don’t need more than a dozen high-level managers dedicated to training the right builds from 22-26 YO seasons.

Discord is nothing more than a glorified group chat. I don’t understand why it’s pushed over the offsite. You’re right, the offsite was key to our success. I think it still stands as a key tool for us to move forward. Yet, it’s not advertised at all.



Some people...
keyword: Some

Some people.... prefer the "group chat" over the off-site, as the discord group chat is more convenient with having an app.
Some people.... prefer it because you can more easily see who's active and on-line.
Some people.... prefer it because compared to the offsite its easier to mute, kick, or block people who have dissenting opinions/voices as you.

A problem from my point of view, is that any, on-site, off-site, discord, line, facebook, myspace, CraigsList, classified ads in a local highschool newspaper. WHATEVER the forum is. None should be pushed over others, as that RESTRICTS accessibility by some and RESTRICTS communication.

ALL of them should be used, by everyone, A reason I personally do't like Discord: There's so much chatter in there. Questions asked to help further engage minds to understand GE mechanics and such go unnoticed or un-responded to.
On the off-site, it's there forever, easier to find and search, same as here on-site but on-site is viewable by anyone.

I guarentee you who'll step in and same something in response to this: The discord is just another highschool clicque in the cafeteria to choose from. The off-site is another. the on-site is another.

We need to get people to throw aside the clique-y-ness and just see it all as one communal group.

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