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279006.35 in reply to 279006.26
Date: 5/25/2016 12:34:27 AM
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Its very easy to say what you would have played now that you see the results. Heck, I would play things a little differently too. But based on everything we had in front of us and the shape of our roster at that time I really don't think yourself or Goldbear would have done much different. The Australia game was a fluke and Id say 8 out of 10 times we would have won. As for the Spain game, go look at the discussion for it. I was dead set on PTB and had it set until the last two minutes. I feared the double guess and it happened. That was my only wrong decision in my opinion. The Australia game I would do it over again.

Also, you talk about playing the guys with the best stamina but do you not realize that stamina really isn't that high on the majority of our best players? Its not like we can just pick whoever we want whenever we want. We are only allowed 18 players and if we make drops then we lose enthusiasm. What you are saying you would do is almost an impossible feat due to the restrictions in place.

Last edited by Isaiah at 5/25/2016 12:35:28 AM

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279006.36 in reply to 279006.35
Date: 5/25/2016 12:38:14 AM
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In all honesty, did we have a team capable of winning it all?

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279006.37 in reply to 279006.34
Date: 5/25/2016 12:40:12 AM
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Do you know the teams we are up against? Our team is great, yes, but USA isn't over powering like we are in real life. In fact, our roster doesn't even compare to some of the top teams. We have one true world class big on our depth chart. The rest are good NT players but nothing overly special. There are teams with 3 or 4 of our world class big on their own roster. We can't say we are going to destroy those teams so easily.

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279006.38 in reply to 279006.37
Date: 5/25/2016 12:45:14 AM
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So we had no chance? We lack the front court necessary for a title?

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279006.39 in reply to 279006.38
Date: 5/25/2016 12:52:58 AM
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We had a chance if we could maintain great GS all around which would have allowed us to use other tactics. Problem is that we were forced to run more inside offense because our best shooters continued to be in strong (low) GS for whatever reason. Couldn't risk relying on them so had to go inside. We have great bigs,yes, but our best bigs against their best bigs, as well as guards with higher skill totals than ours, makes it a difficult task to win straight up. Plus, not to mention, the 5 bigs on the team were our best on the depth chart but we have a lack of legit bigs in the pipeline.

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279006.40 in reply to 279006.39
Date: 5/25/2016 12:59:33 AM
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So the GS trapped us into the outcomes of a couple particular losses? That's unfortunate. From the box score alone it looks like a combination of tactics as well. Do you think that the next term will have a team that is finally capable of bringing the world gold back?

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279006.41 in reply to 279006.40
Date: 5/25/2016 1:14:57 AM
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Those two games being mentioned had different scenarios. As for the Australia game, all of our bigs and SFs were in great GS while we only had 1 guard in Proficient GS. The rest were Strong (low-medium). Our best offense would have come from our 3-5 positions. Also, our best PG was injured that game too which didn't help. As for the Spain game, that is the one game I will continue to say I messed up on, and I am not afraid to admit that. We very well could have, and should have, run PTB.

As far as the next term, it will be a struggle which will rely heavily on GS as well as no key players getting injured. Four of our top five bigs will be getting to be too old for competition which is scary to think about. We may only have a few NT caliber bigs in two seasons. It will suck. However, I think our guard depth will be a strength and we could have the best guards in NT competition when talking about having the ability to run outside offenses. These next two seasons will be scary but fun at the same time as we are going to have to transition our focus most likely so that way we can play to our strengths.

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279006.42 in reply to 279006.33
Date: 5/25/2016 1:16:44 AM
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I get frustrated with that Naysayer sentiment. Usually those are either 12 year olds, or guys who just don't understand. There are so many variables that go into actually winning the Gold.



I wouldn't say that is totally true.


I thought the word "usually" quantified my statement as being less than "totally true"? :-)

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279006.43 in reply to 279006.41
Date: 5/25/2016 1:19:15 AM
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I would like to add my voice to the chorus of experienced managers that are voting for Isaiah.

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279006.44 in reply to 279006.41
Date: 5/25/2016 1:20:47 AM
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So we have no chance for any world success in this transition phase?

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279006.45 in reply to 279006.38
Date: 5/25/2016 1:21:35 AM
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The USNT player poll lacks depth, is relatively weak and is aging. Many of our players lack the well rounded secondaries necessary to compete at the highest level. As a nation, we have failed to train elite NT players. The success of our NT lies not on one US manager, but all US managers.

The future looks brighter as more experienced managers (Isaiah included) are scouting, advising player development, and training a new crop of multi-skilled US prospects. The more educated US mangers are about training NT prospects, the better we'll be.

"You will lose." -Ivan Drago
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