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I think if you are higher than the 4th pick in the draft it can be very valuable to start looking at 19 year olds. 19 year olds can be very good, as you said, a lot of people just do not like training them because they missed their fastest year of training and generally people like to get a new round of trainees every 4-5 seasons, and it is easier to buy a cheap 18 year old on the TL than train a 19 year old to be where you want them, when you want to move on to your next group of trainees.

If you want a top notch player, you must start training from the 18th. You can still add a bunch of secondary skills in his 18th year.

If your training plan isn't overly ambitious, sure you can pick a 19y old, and train using a 3 or 4 trainer.

If you want a top notch player, you must start training from the 18th. You can still add a bunch of secondary skills in his 18th year.

If your training plan isn't overly ambitious, sure you can pick a 19y old, and train using a 3 or 4 trainer.

This is what I'm saying. Eventually your player will hit a cap, so why does it matter when. Of course training at 18 is extremely fast, but that also so at 19.

Reaching full potential is hard with a 19 than an 18 because you lose out on the fastest year of training speed.

It matters in the sense, how long will you be able to take advantage of the player who has reached full potential. For example I could max out my 18 YO trainee at the age of 26 let's say while it would take me until 27.5 or maybe almost 28 to max out the 19 YO trainee. You then have 1-2 years less until your player's skills start declining (at 32). That's where the extra value comes in.

Now granted. I think that the TL trainees can get over priced a lot. I have no hard evidence, but my gut says a lot of these prime trainees go to less knowledgeable players who don't make use of the trainee to their full potential by training them.

personally i had trained few 19 year olds one is my best pg he capped at age 23 and 45k salary with 102 skillpoints perenial allstar. and id go for 19year old anytime soon. basicly you dont lose speed, well diference between 18and 19 year olds what? 1 pop per season? basicly all you lose is 1 year of his life before his skills becomes to detoriate.

iF your ambition isnt u-21 or nt then 19 year old suits very fine.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 3/23/2014 6:50:15 AM

To be honest, a PA is very easy to cap out, I've almost capped mine that started as an 18YO at the age of 21. I'm talking about when you get an MVP+ those take a while to cap out and this is when you start to see what I'm talking about take place.

I'm not sure about your country specifically. But in my country, if I wanna make it to the top, I'm gonna need players with SS+ potential that are maxed out to compete. Regardless of whether or not the players make it to NT. Once I have these players, I'd like to make use of them as long as possible. Hence why I said what I said.

Well, people have touched on it, but I think that the 18 year old season can be worth 8-12 skill points (depending on trainer level and whether you are filling holes). So, for a 19 year old to be worth it to me, he would have to have at least 10 more skill points than the 18 year old. Of course, you don't know tsp in the draft, so my draft board tends to be 4 and 5 ball 18 year olds sorted by potential, then 5 and 4 ball 19 year olds (I tend not to waste the draft points to interview them) followed by 3 ball players, unknown players, and, finally, 1-2 ball players.

Honestly, I would always start with an 18 year old as your primary trainee. If you want to have a 19 year old as a second or third trainee, I could see that, but they would really need to be above most 18 year olds. I'm talking like 60+ starting TSP. I think you could train a 60 TSP 19 year old over a 35 TSP 18 year old.

Your logic is liek everyone elses mostly an absurd: We train players to have skills, to play well right?

but in your logic we train players to be AS YOUNG with certain skills. When you play for example league finals does it really matters your 120 skillpoints supermultiskilled beast dropping 30 points per game 60 percent accuracy is 29 or 28 years old? Does it matter when you buying your team addition which you dont plan to train with exacly same skills is 26 or 30 year old? not rly. Mostly people buy 33 year old farts, because they need skill to win competition not age.

Example from real life does it matter if your super qualified specialist employee is 35 or 34 years old. According to ur logic it is because 35 year old could of have more skills and if you get 34 year old he would be better after year than the 35 year old lol...But if they all both fully capable of doing their jobs whats the difference then? none.

Age only does matter when you plan to sell players in first few seasons after training. If you train for yourself it doesnt matter so much.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 3/26/2014 8:24:30 AM

Yes and no. If we make the assumption that a 26 year old and a 32 year old with the same skills will play the same (discounting experience), then you are right that you wouldn't really care about which plays right now. However, recognizing that players tend to drop skills after 32/33 years old, your 26 year old is better for longer. That is, your 26 year old can play at a high level for 6 or more seasons, where as the 32 year old only has a few seasons left in him. So yes, both your 35 year old and 34 year old are capable of doing the job, but your 35 year old has one less season of usefulness (and will drop skills faster).

Don't get me wrong, I buy old farts all the time, but there are two reasons for it. They are cheap, and they tend to have more experience. But, I recognize that they are only useful for a handful of seasons.