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From: H2What?

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Date: 8/26/2016 9:48:03 AM
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It is not exact and depends on other skills and his heights but 1v1 for F trains about 0.2 and JS for F trains about 0.35. If you don't want much HA-DR, and you want only JS (if it is very behind) then you should train JS. But it also trains IS, keep that in mind :) I will train my forward young players 1v1 F, let's say it trained 4 JS 10 HA 12 DR 5 IS, then I will train JS F to complement the lack of JS and IS. It is not a bad training if you need more JS, but 1v1 forwards is definitely the most efficient trainig.

From: Bommy

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Date: 9/5/2016 12:58:12 PM
DunkTales
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It depends how much JS you want on your Big.

Besides JS-Training and 1on1-Training, you gain JS by training JR and IS.

Here a few Options:

JS is the main thing to you and you really need it on your big, but your DR sucks:
-> 1on1 Guards leads to nice DR und okey JS, when you go back on IS you´ll gain some ups by that.

DR is okey but your trainee is missing on JS?
-> JS helps you out here

You think that a little JS is enought? JR is completely overratet?
-> IS also trains JS and should help you out on this scenario.

JR ist the main thing to have on a Big!!!
-> not really worth the deal.....unless your Big has a great Startvalue. Not worth it. Sorry :(

Well, you can try it that way though: Train some OD. Get some JR-Training (gives maybe +1/+2 ups in JS, depending how long you are training) and try to get you JS higher, by training IS. I doubt, that this will be effectiv.



I hope, this helps. :)

Regards Bommy

From: ned

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Date: 9/5/2016 4:46:49 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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JR ist the main thing to have on a Big!!!
-> not really worth the deal.....unless your Big has a great Startvalue. Not worth it. Sorry


is this your personal opinion or do you have some figures to support what you said?

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From: Bommy

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Date: 9/5/2016 6:12:12 PM
DunkTales
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I´m doing this kind of training on my own at the present. I am definetely not happy with that, because it takes a lot of time and I probably wont be able to push my PF to the desired JS-Level.

So in this case it is my personal opinion. But here is also an explenation for that:

To train JR effectively you need some OD.²

So in his case, he would need a high DR + HA in the first place to get some efficient OD-training.³ So, if not given, he would need to train 1on1 Guards in the first place. Then he has a nice Drive + okey JS and some OD. Under these conditions he can get some efficient JR-Training.

He can all do that without the above described steps, but it wouldn´t be that efficient. So this is my personal point of view to that topic.

²³ Both are allegations, which I have read in several training-thread in thess trainingforums by several people.

Sorry, I had to edit that, because one phrase was confusing.

Last edited by Bommy at 9/5/2016 7:39:21 PM

From: ned

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danke. I've asked cause I'm gonna do the same, I've already players with "nice" JR and the results with the "bigs" aren't so bad. I think we've few people training JR for bigs and maybe with not enough level of skill

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From: Bommy

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Date: 9/5/2016 7:58:42 PM
DunkTales
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I´m very happy about the game perfomances of the trainee. But it is my way of the training, I´m doubting, that it is very efficient.

As a German, I´m a big fan of a stretch Forward^^

And in Buzzerbeater I like them as well, although it seems to me that they are missing some close-ranged shots. Therefore, the 3pt% is pretty good. If you think of the less IS, you have to take because of the higher JR and JS, it doesn´t seem to be that big of a surprise. :)

But this isn´t the thread to discuss about the tactical benefits of stretching Bigs.

Sorry, it´s late and my concentration isn´t that high anymore. I hope, you got my point though.

Good night ;)