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U21 can give some great insights into this question because it is very difficult to train a player with great JS/JR, DR, and Flow. It's been my experience overseeing U21 training that you can't have a guy that just has high JS/JR. High DR helps create unassisted shots but I think you need at least a basic level of flow too or the player is just going to take bad shots instead of passing the ball to someone else.

It is not exact and depends on other skills and his heights but 1v1 for F trains about 0.2 and JS for F trains about 0.35. If you don't want much HA-DR, and you want only JS (if it is very behind) then you should train JS. But it also trains IS, keep that in mind :) I will train my forward young players 1v1 F, let's say it trained 4 JS 10 HA 12 DR 5 IS, then I will train JS F to complement the lack of JS and IS. It is not a bad training if you need more JS, but 1v1 forwards is definitely the most efficient trainig.

It depends how much JS you want on your Big.

Besides JS-Training and 1on1-Training, you gain JS by training JR and IS.

Here a few Options:

JS is the main thing to you and you really need it on your big, but your DR sucks:
-> 1on1 Guards leads to nice DR und okey JS, when you go back on IS you´ll gain some ups by that.

DR is okey but your trainee is missing on JS?
-> JS helps you out here

You think that a little JS is enought? JR is completely overratet?
-> IS also trains JS and should help you out on this scenario.

JR ist the main thing to have on a Big!!!
-> not really worth the deal.....unless your Big has a great Startvalue. Not worth it. Sorry :(

Well, you can try it that way though: Train some OD. Get some JR-Training (gives maybe +1/+2 ups in JS, depending how long you are training) and try to get you JS higher, by training IS. I doubt, that this will be effectiv.



I hope, this helps. :)

Regards Bommy

JR ist the main thing to have on a Big!!!
-> not really worth the deal.....unless your Big has a great Startvalue. Not worth it. Sorry

is this your personal opinion or do you have some figures to support what you said?

I´m doing this kind of training on my own at the present. I am definetely not happy with that, because it takes a lot of time and I probably wont be able to push my PF to the desired JS-Level.

So in this case it is my personal opinion. But here is also an explenation for that:

To train JR effectively you need some OD.²

So in his case, he would need a high DR + HA in the first place to get some efficient OD-training.³ So, if not given, he would need to train 1on1 Guards in the first place. Then he has a nice Drive + okey JS and some OD. Under these conditions he can get some efficient JR-Training.

He can all do that without the above described steps, but it wouldn´t be that efficient. So this is my personal point of view to that topic.

²³ Both are allegations, which I have read in several training-thread in thess trainingforums by several people.

Sorry, I had to edit that, because one phrase was confusing.

Last edited by Bommy at 9/5/2016 7:39:21 PM

danke. I've asked cause I'm gonna do the same, I've already players with "nice" JR and the results with the "bigs" aren't so bad. I think we've few people training JR for bigs and maybe with not enough level of skill

I´m very happy about the game perfomances of the trainee. But it is my way of the training, I´m doubting, that it is very efficient.

As a German, I´m a big fan of a stretch Forward^^

And in Buzzerbeater I like them as well, although it seems to me that they are missing some close-ranged shots. Therefore, the 3pt% is pretty good. If you think of the less IS, you have to take because of the higher JR and JS, it doesn´t seem to be that big of a surprise. :)

But this isn´t the thread to discuss about the tactical benefits of stretching Bigs.

Sorry, it´s late and my concentration isn´t that high anymore. I hope, you got my point though.

Good night ;)