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271644.20 in reply to 271644.19
Date: 7/25/2015 2:35:28 PM
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Of course this is just hypothetical. What about happen when that high SB doesn't block the shot though? Dunk city?

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271644.21 in reply to 271644.16
Date: 7/25/2015 2:55:35 PM
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It's fact that SB didn't work in seasons before season 25 (or something like that, I don't remember exactly when SB changes was implement). SB was practically worthless in that time. Few managers discovered it and there were created 400k monsters played in successful NTs. (fwiw I saw few NT games).
Then we had change. First element of change was salary, SB became cheaper. However salary has no impact on GE. For finances still it's cosmetic change. I think high-end center, with SB+5 than typical, will have new salary smaller by 5k in comparison to old formula. Of course for other positions effect is smaller and for guards there is no gain in comparison to old formula.
Second element of change was little more impact of SB in GE. However "practically worthless" strengthened by "little more impact" still is practically worthless. It's easy to find successful teams, which defence makes opponent cries, and which have typically 0-2 blocks per game.

From: FurY

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271644.22 in reply to 271644.20
Date: 7/25/2015 3:03:41 PM
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A dunk can still be rejected in the NBA. whether it happens in BB game engine is another story.

A 7 Id 20 SB build if a player had 7 SB to start with would probably require a high 3 or less to stay at 7 or less at 20sb. It would be near impossible if you were to round out a handful of other skills, would probably require a 1. I doubt i would ever find myself in a position to own such a player anyways, it was merely a comment that you are likely to have a capable big @ 27 skill points amongst the two skills.

Last edited by FurY at 7/25/2015 3:04:04 PM

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271644.24 in reply to 271644.16
Date: 7/25/2015 4:55:19 PM
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also - as i recently mentioned to Trainerman in another thread - everyone forgets SB and OD - guards still try to block shots at the 3 point line right? ever had a guard with decent SB stop 3's with blocked shots? works wonders


if that's true, rules should be updated:

"Shot Blocking: Will help to block shots. Not very useful for perimeter players".

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 7/25/2015 4:55:41 PM

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271644.25 in reply to 271644.4
Date: 7/25/2015 5:56:33 PM
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Not sure whether this is still true or not, but a while back (a loooong while back) the prevailing wisdom seemed to be that salaries tended to jump more when SB was increased as opposed to ID. As a result, there were a number of players where ID was prioritized over SB when training.

Not an active enough reader of the Forums to know whether this was disproven, changed as a result of a change to the GE, or just fell out of favor. Not a good enough team owner to know the true answer to your question (can't seem to break out of USA Div III).

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271644.26 in reply to 271644.17
Date: 7/25/2015 7:47:12 PM
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Without significant data from the rest of BB, i would not believe the comment outright that it reduces shots. It likely reduces an opponent's will to go inside, it might drop shots by 1 or 2 if they can't generate open shots in a slower paced offense, but dropping 6 sounds like abandoned strategy.


I'm not sure what his opponents did. I'll be sure to ask him if anything may have skewed his observation.

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271644.28 in reply to 271644.24
Date: 7/26/2015 2:39:55 AM
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that is a good point.

However statistically, a guard with higher SB will block more shots on average per game. So it does contribute to a degree.

i think perhaps what the game manual is suggesting, is that there is no point in training a guard to have Phenomenal SB. The degree to which SB contriubtes to guards defense, is less than - compared to inside defenders.


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271644.29 in reply to 271644.28
Date: 7/26/2015 3:29:29 AM
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I would agree with this. I personally love SBing everywhere. Almost all my key players have a good amount of SBing.

My starting 5 players combine to have 45 SB skill points in it, which is pretty high compared to most teams, I believe and it is definitely apparent in my games. In my two playoff games that I have had, I've put up 14 blocks and 17 blocks. I believe I averaged around 11 blocks a game this season, but that is counting in the games in which I did not have my now-starting 85k Center.

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