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Date: 1/7/2018 7:23:25 AM
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Well this thread took a bit of a turn. First off Tehran has won B3, I don't think we can question the man's pedigree. What I am going to question is the attitude. I sense his tenure would be rather autocratic, his way or the highway. In the short term on the court this would not be a bad thing, settling on a squad and defining the roles and sticking to it will help the on court product. But on the front of building interest in the NT and of attracting new blood his current disposition will be counterproductive.


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There really wasn't a chance of you winning unfortunately to say but this certainly doesn't help and while you may have felt personally attacked it's worth to note JK is the current U21 manager. You still have my vote, fwiw.

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While you being a foreigner candidate makes it extremely unlikely that you will win, nobody here has attacked you or is angry with you for running as a non-American. Best of luck with the results.

I once had a team with 1757 players and was $25,835,360 in debt. This is not that team. Join the Discord group open to anyone, but especially for USA managers to improve your club or get involved with the U21 and NT programs (https://discord.gg/cKpNkt2).
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End of discussion for me in this forum to avoid wasting my time talking to people who are so angry to see a stranger in their election list.
Reading through this thread I can assure you that this is not the case. I wonder if this is a misunderstanding based on a language or cultural barrier. Wouldn't hurt for everyone to be more patient and relaxed in this discussion. Sahand, you should feel welcome to rejoin the conversation, no one doesn't want you to. Deftly entertaining differing opinions and keeping open communication I suspect are important NT manager skills in larger nations.

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Someone like who? A micro nation manager with no experience running anything but their own team in a country of less than fifty? Before you question my experience you should consider that you wouldn’t have made it out of “D5” in my country.

Frankly put I wasn’t making fun of you, but if this is your reaction to advice freely given, good luck to you friend.


Yeah, I mean, sure, he's dominated his micronation and won B3 multiple times, but who's to say he could actually manage to compete in an international league with essentially all-star rosters and it's own enthusiasm... oh.

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Date: 1/7/2018 10:01:58 PM
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Greetings, everyone. It's been a while since I've spent a lot of time on BB. But back in the day, I was a regular offsite contributor and dedicated enough to build the training simulator. Anyhow, my two cents:

I think it's the community's responsibility to train the players that can give us a shot... regardless. That's not something you have to be manager to do or be a part of. What our NT needs from a manager is a proven tactician who knows what it takes to win games at the highest level. Ultimately, what will motivate managers to train and maintain our player base is knowing that their efforts have the best chance at success. And I think we'd be short-sightedly chauvinistic as a community to pass by the chance of having Sahand as our manager.

All that said, I don't think he's a bad guy. And even if I didn't like him, I don't want a manager to be my friend. I want a manager who will win.

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Date: 1/8/2018 12:52:09 AM
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I think it's the community's responsibility to train the players that can give us a shot... regardless. That's not something you have to be manager to do or be a part of. What our NT needs from a manager is a proven tactician who knows what it takes to win games at the highest level.


My sentiments exactly. +1

Last edited by A-Dub at 1/8/2018 1:38:59 AM

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Forgive my fellow Americans, we’ve built up a formidable wall of patriotism and pride — I’m afraid it’s natural human inclination. As a foreigner, your biggest battle in your bid for USNT manager is infiltrating this wall of pride. People tend to reject change. For some, seeing a foreigner in a leadership position could serve to be a tough pill of humility to swallow.

In regards to ego, I do sense a strong confidence and pride with you. That’s not necesarily a bad thing. I admire your ambition. The greatest competitors such as Micheal Jordan and even Kobe Bryant had some of the biggest egos of all. I have a great respect for your B3 pedigree; I understand what it takes to compete at the B3 level and I believe this aspect in particular is what the USNT has lacked in recent seasons. Unlike some, I actually have faith in your scouting abilities: I feel you would have a keen eye for top talent and be able to understand the type of players needed in specific offense’s in order to succeed at the highest level.

With that said, again, there is the pride thing. Will Americans accept a foreign leader? That’s to be determined. However, out of all the candidates, I have the most faith in your managerial and scouting abilities. I trust you understand the type of players and tactic’s needed to win championships at any level. I have no doubt in your abilities and would gladly accept you into our community as USNT manager.

Whatever the outcome, just remember, it is nothing against you as a person — I’d chug down a few Jägerbombs with you.

Best of luck to all the candidates,
A-Dub



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Date: 1/8/2018 6:31:04 AM
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Greetings, everyone. It's been a while since I've spent a lot of time on BB. But back in the day, I was a regular offsite contributor and dedicated enough to build the training simulator. Anyhow, my two cents:

I think it's the community's responsibility to train the players that can give us a shot... regardless. That's not something you have to be manager to do or be a part of. What our NT needs from a manager is a proven tactician who knows what it takes to win games at the highest level. Ultimately, what will motivate managers to train and maintain our player base is knowing that their efforts have the best chance at success. And I think we'd be short-sightedly chauvinistic as a community to pass by the chance of having Sahand as our manager.

All that said, I don't think he's a bad guy. And even if I didn't like him, I don't want a manager to be my friend. I want a manager who will win.


Hello darkness, my old friend. https://youtu.be/4fWyzwo1xg0


Truly wonderful to see you back in the fold.

Though I disagree that we have to use someone who has won on the highest level. Making it to the top of the mountain is just as much economic acumen. But for the NT that part of the equation is moot. As others have pointed out Tehran has had a lot easier road thanks to being from a micro. What we need right now is someone who knows how to work with smoke and mirrors, who will put out a team and put together a plan that will allow the talent on hand to exceed expectations. This is why I personally seek the appointment. My teams are never the most talented but they do compete and my teams are ones for which the opponent better pack a lunch because even if you beat me it will not come easy on most nights. I will be the guy who will give us the opportunity to compete night in and night out. I will also be the guy who will use the knowledge of the community to figure out the best plan of action. Lastly I will be the guy who will work on a league by league basis to bring users both new and old into the fold so that we build for the future. It is not about regurgitating some political slogan to make America great again it is about making buzzer beater fun again.





Last edited by Coach Lambini at 1/8/2018 6:53:07 AM

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