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If you are contending to be a former u21 manager from jamaica, you are basically claiming to be Mix.. I tried to assist back in the day, but i grew tired of that the moment that micro nation went from 15 members to 18 members and the 3 new members voted for the same guy out of nowhere. Election fixing in small nations means you can do everything in your power to improve the situation and it might be pointless in the end.

The u21 cause, the offsite, the discord, w/e. In the end, it's a way to not openly discuss tactics about the under 21 games publicly in front of other u21 teams from another nations, who similarly do not post all of their work on the forums. Whatever there was 15-20 seasons ago i could never fix in 4 seasons as u21 manager, nor can jk, nor can sixth, nor can anyone else anyone clamors for. There are some that will take those past transgressions and never let go of them, so we'll never have the 100% buy-in. So instead, we pick and choose managers that respond to scouting at any level, whether they want to develop guys in general or develop for the u21.

The whole establishment/anti-establishment thing needs to take a backseat to basic understanding of the u21 wardo.

1) In the americas/worlds, the first roster is not generated until after the first gameshape update of the season, and instead is used as a timeframe to scout plays by putting them on and taking them off the team. It allows us to skills update them. If you decide to put a lineup up on thursday, and then log in saturday, there is a fairly good chance that you will have at least 1 or 2 players unusable in game 1 because of the amount of minutes the played in the first week. Their GS will be probably 5 or 6 if they played 100+ minutes. So any manager that puts the list together without considering gameshape is playing with a reduced amount of roster spots. Each rostered player that you take of the u21 reduces your enthusiasm by 1 roughly, which means you only have 18 chances to pick players that can help you before you can't call up anymore.

2) League standing does not impact ones ability to manage u21 players, league standing has everything to do with piecing together a team of both young and old players that can stand up to other teams of similar composition. A u21 manager in a lot of situations will be in D.III and D.IV buying and building players that can impact the outcome of the u21's performance. For example, i had 2 players the played in americas and 3 that played in worlds in my tenure. By commingling to the u21 roster, it's extremely hard to build a D.II or NBBA contender (though not impossible).

And the reason most people vote for someone on the offsite? again, if it's someone who doesn't believe in hiding roster player skills and strategies, they're kinda screwing the team over. Whether you call it Wardo's u21 website, FurYak's Discord, or the offsite cabal, at the end of the day you can't post things here publicly.

I have a basic understanding of under 21 and what the USA has to offer. Not sure what you were implying there. I may have never run for under 21 only instance when I was a complete noob. Hell I may have even won the New Zeland under 21 back in the day. Just take a look at Mexico roster compare to USA under 21 roster it fully compliments the national team....

I don't think what i said has anything to do with whether or not you have a basic understanding of what the u21 is about. You made two statements, and i clarified them. Nobody calls guys up before gameshape comes out (something you complained that Jokerz didn't do) and nobody uses the onsite forums to display their game tactics and roster skills because then everyone would have them (you complained about moving things off of this website to some degree).

So basically, i wanted to make sure that you understand should you ever win why certain decisions are made. You are free to do whatever you want within the rules.

When does National team roster and schedule comes out?

I don't think what i said has anything to do with whether or not you have a basic understanding of what the u21 is about. You made two statements, and i clarified them. Nobody calls guys up before gameshape comes out (something you complained that Jokerz didn't do) and nobody uses the onsite forums to display their game tactics and roster skills because then everyone would have them (you complained about moving things off of this website to some degree).

So basically, i wanted to make sure that you understand should you ever win why certain decisions are made. You are free to do whatever you want within the rules.

Not entirely true.
If you dig around, all across the world, in bot division divisional forums and such, every now and then, you can stumble across some of this stuff... whether its real or not is another story...
But, Captain Teemo, in the debate thread, even said, that the French had done that in the past.
So, you are incorrect saying "nobody" does it. However, you are correct in that it is "inadvisable"

But then, that in-of-itself, is a whole nother level of strategy, or lack of strategy and gamesmanship.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hello, are you talking about FurYak long witted response? I am not quite sure where this is coming from if it was directed towards me. We are deemed 3rd place or below with this awful roster we have to compliment the national team hell may do even worse than Tough and outdoing him? Just take a look at some of the best national team or under 21 roster compare it to us we are doomed!!! The fact that only 4 players scored double digit against 10k Mexico roster...

Season 29 World’s Final against Italy had only 4 in double digits. That’s not an atypical occurrence. (31550)