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So you are saying that this is the most likely matchup, is that right?

On the other hand you say, players who have had prohabilities bad don't take a shot. In this case the centers should have good possibilities, too. But why they take the smallest amount of shots?

Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: inept Free Throw: prominent

Experience: average

who luckily also plays 22 minutes as a center in this game, against an id 12 or 13 center ;) Ok he didn't shoot but also the other center don't take much shots.

Another fine example with him: (10301647)

Qualtinger seems to my second weakest option in this game, and also thecenter from abbove seems to be the perfect scoring maschine against the strongest player from the opponent. if you tell me that my OD monster Rocha also got good schanches to score i would believe that, but wait he isn't stronger then Qualitnger.

So you are saying that this is the most likely matchup, is that right?

In a base offense, you are more likely to take shots when you get the best "look". So in theory, your player with the best chance to score will take the bulk of the shots. However, a lot depends on your offensive flow. If you can't get the ball to that player fast enough and when he is in a position to score, then someone else will take the shot.

Pace has an impact as your team is willing to settle for a lower quality shot in order to get a shot off faster (although slow pace can work the other way where you wait too long and it ends up just being the last player who touches the ball who takes the shot).

You focus (inside, outside) also has an impact, as I said before.

On the other hand you say, players who have had prohabilities bad don't take a shot. In this case the centers should have good possibilities, too. But why they take the smallest amount of shots?

Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: strong

who luckily also plays 22 minutes as a center in this game, against an id 12 or 13 center ;) Ok he didn't shoot but also the other center don't take much shots.

I don't know why you keep coming back to this guy. He has crappy inside shot and you're complaining that he doesn't shoot? As I said before, he won't shoot because you have better options on your team so he's just going to pass the ball off. The only time he'll shoot is if he's wide open or the shot clock is about to expire.

Another fine example with him: (10301647)

I'll look at this game later and respond.

Another fine example with him: (10301647)

Qualtinger seems to my second weakest option in this game, and also thecenter from abbove seems to be the perfect scoring maschine against the strongest player from the opponent. if you tell me that my OD monster Rocha also got good schanches to score i would believe that, but wait he isn't stronger then Qualitnger.

You went run and gun in this game which means that:

-you have a fast pace so your team is not going to wait too long for the best match-up before they shoot
-you went with an outside focus so your team is going to pass up good inside chances in favour of outside chances that may not be as good. Now, if you get a sensational inside chance, your team will still go for it but they'll pass up inside chances that are "good".

So my question to you is this - how good are the outside skills of your C and PF? I'm guessing that they suck for your C and while the outside skills of Paliukonis are ok, Rocha and Qualtinger's are much better. Am I right?

So the pts per 100 of your Cs are quite high, because out of the 3 shots they took they were probably all inside shots and when they were wide open. Your PF probably took a combination of inside and outside shots but again mostly when he was wide open.

You also have to remember that in basketball your guards are going to get most of the outside looks and your C and PF most of the inside looks. So if you're looking for your inside guys to take advantage of a mismatch on the perimeter, you can't play a run and gun - your forwards aren't getting enough touches. Go for a motion or base offense instead.

I don't know why you keep coming back to this guy. He has crappy inside shot and you're complaining that he doesn't shoot? As I said before, he won't shoot because you have better options on your team so he's just going to pass the ball off. The only time he'll shoot is if he's wide open or the shot clock is about to expire.

i am coming back to this guy, because the matchup rating says the different in both games - that he is clearly the best otion - so he should shoot ;)

I often play in cup with a one or two person offense, because i fill the rest with Crappy players(second example) and i can tell you before that my good option will score very lot but in the matchup he will have just average or crappy values.

I say the matchup rating is useless thats why, if you like to see where you have good chanches to score take the number of shot a player has taken -because they show pretty cgood where you could get your shots and not a high value from a position who shots too times.

And outside focus doesn't eman that you don't take good inside shots, if you have good centers, without shot you will see that they will still take their oppurtunieties - especially when they was option number one. But the chanche that you get a good luck outside is higher because inside shots get tougher with it.

I think you're just not getting what I'm saying... For example:

But the chanche that you get a good luck outside is higher because inside shots get tougher with it.

Inside shots do not get tougher if you use an outside focus and your outside looks do not get better. It is just that your team will pass up good inside shots in favour of average outside shots. With an outside focus, the inside look has to be very high quality for your player to take that shot.

So it is actually the opposite, in a way, since you are probably taking lower quality outside shots that you normally would in a base offense.

If you can't understand that point then there's not much else I can explain.

i won't say that, i would say the probability to convert is higher, maybe look a run and gun vs full court press game - it is very often that you will shot in the first seconds(somtetimes i believe they simulate the switch defence sequence) and they are quite a lot IS in it.

Also when you play run and gun with a strong center, against a weak one he will shot quite often but his matchup normally get bad through that.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/4/2009 9:57:20 AM

i won't say that,

Just looking at the rules and I think you're right. I'll come back to this later.

just a Rng atack vs a Full court press defence

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Enjoy!

The relevant portions of the rules. I'll comment in my next post.

A faster pace means that the team will lower its standards for which shot to take and take less time to get it up the court

Having an inside focus both increases the overall quality of the looks you get near the basket and decreases the quality of looks you get away from the hoop. It also skews the distribution of looks that you get towards inside looks. Outside focus does exactly the same, but for longer range shots.

Ok, so I'm pretty sure I had it right for pace. I was confused in terms of inside/outside focus... So maybe you have it right. Let's see if we can agree now.

-indeed, what you said above is true. If you go run and gun, your outside looks will be of higher quality but your inside looks will suffer.
-what you may be missing (but that again, maybe not) is that the distribution of looks gets skewed. So if you go run and gun, you will get many more outside looks and much fewer inside looks.

In the sample match that you took, you went run and gun. So, if you look at what the rules say, it is no surprise that your C and PF didn't take many shots, even though it looks like they were the better options.

Another portion of the rules that might be pause for thought as to why your inside guys don't shoot much:

A player must decide whether the opportunity presented is good enough to take a shot… this of course changes as a function of amongst other things… the shot clock, the players experience, the score of the game, the history of the quality of shots the team has seen recently, the offense the team is running, and whether that rookie shooting guard of yours thinks he knows better than the coach does

I have always wondered about that last part... Is there a hidden trait that players have that influences how much they shoot?

i could imagine that there was a hidden part, something like a "go to" guy gen.

I get some players who shot a lot, in the german forum they like to explain that with the Xp, i got one high XP SF with less offensive potential who trys alot for my team and in most cases without succes ... So maybe this counts against it, but this is very subjective especially because i was drunk^^