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Well we had a go but lost against a very strong Italy team. Suffice to I didn't want to lose this one as it affects our ability to qualify but I wanted to give us a chance by using a bit more effort.

To no avail sadly, Bora struggled last season for the same reason we struggle this season. We need some of the newer blood to come of age. Please contact me if you are training or planning to train for the NT.

bigs are hard to get on the TL probably we should get some 6'7'-6'8'' guys into proper high TSP PFs and anything 6'8''+ into a PF/C. In hindsight I should have probably done this with Needham, so yeah if the initial suggestion by Vecx was to have a plan for the NT from the 20yo season onwards (after most people have done 1v1 and the training direction can still be significantly controlled) then I'd agree. If I trained Needham to be a PF he would have almost similar TSP, he would reach a lower total in the end, he'd have double the salary, but he would clearly be more useful for the NT it seems. All I needed to do was to drop some DR/HA and OD for ID and RB.

Getting the perfect trainee for a big and especially a C is not easy, if you both want high TSP elite primaries and to contain his salary somewhat (Corral was a good example of a salary efficient big). It is not easy to contain the salary for 2 reasons:
- you will need very low starting SB and to make sure that it stays low. Technically you can punt IS too, but I don't see how a ID/RB/SB stud with subpar IS would crack a NT rotation
- you will need to control JS because that adds a lot of salary and is unlikely to make a big difference if the player plays at C. Unfortunately IS comes in droves as a byproduct of 1v1 and is also needed to train IS faster, so this one is a bit harder of a trade-off.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/10/2020 9:01:55 AM

I had Corral the NT player down as part of the problem, not as an example of the solution. Who can he defend?

Just by looking at boxscores Corral has looked like the most efficient offensive player in the NT in a long time. Notably not just with inside tactics. With big men something's gotta give, they will cap even if they are HoF, so you will need to pick your poison, there is no way to have everything. Corral has always played well above the level his TSP and salary should have warranted. And yeah more SB would help at the NT level (debatable how much on a C guarding players with much higher IS and higher JS than his SB, let's assume it does), but it will eat into the cap and increase the salary, so you are not going to have 20 IS or high enough RB. OD is a different story, but the Corral example was about an extremely salary efficient player, who could have easily cost an extra 70k salary with no real performance benefit and a player who's offered on offense much more than he gave up on defense.

RB is interesting at this level though, because it does look a little less impactful that in normal league games, as scoring efficiency is higher (and therefore there are often fewer rebounds available).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/10/2020 8:41:35 PM

He's a good scorer but he's not all that for wage efficiency, you have to be a two-way player at that salary. You can make a scorer for around 200k.

I agree it's highly possible to make less efficient players but it concerns me that one of England's better player developers thinks Corral is wage-efficient when I don't think he is.







Last edited by Elmacca at 4/11/2020 4:43:28 AM

By the way, just something you might want to consider. Back in the day when I had an elite B3 team it was lack of rebounding that got me knocked out by the eventual B3 Champs.

Low JS and low SB = super salary efficient player, you can't have a C more efficient than that. And I'm not saying this is best for the NT, of course you'd want everything you can get irrespective of salary considerations, but if people are concerned about salary (understandable) then that's a player to look at.

For the sake of argument let's have an example of a player that would fit Corral's general blueprint (I don't remember his skills on top of my head and I wouldn't post his actual current skills even if I knew them):
- This player https://i.imgur.com/pWsMqIj.png: 179k salary and 94%-100% cap-wise (technically you could add an extra ID or 2 before cap, but in reality you would not be able to contain SB to such low levels, so it wouldn't be possible
- This player https://i.imgur.com/h9NxuHK.png: 280k salary and fully capped

The second player is the same as the first with 4 extra JS and 5 extra SB. Is the second player better and therefore more useful for the NT? Undoubtedly yes. For any regular team is it worth paying 101k extra salary in a single player for those 9 extra skills, especially considering both these players will play C most of the time? I don't really think so.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/11/2020 12:06:47 PM

I'm a big fan of rebounding, every time I struggled in BB was due to lack of rebounding (mostly). With NT teams (not B3) it seems that scoring is more efficient, so either this impression is wrong (very possible) or the more efficient scoring is real and likely a byproduct of other things, like flow and such. I'd need to get pbps to check this.

The first guy has wayyyy too much JR.