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Interesting dilema.

Personally I have an excel spreadsheet set up where I can experiment with ticket prices and attendance so as to determine an optimum price and to assist in budgeting. (also helps to give me an idea of who the real competitors are)

Appears early in the season you may have been caught with your prices a little high. (2nd season you lose the attendance boost)

On face value yourself, Broomtime and Nevada Saucers have well balanced rosters with depth, however without looking at the players its hard to determine whether the players offer "bang for bucks"

Having a strong starting five is ok and probably necessary to promote, but unless you have some depth those players will soon lose gameshape.

Having a good Small Forward is a real advantage in this game and IMO is a neccessary commodity if you wish to promote, but is the hardest position to fill or train and is arguably the shortfall of many div 2 teams.

HA's Small Forward Pedrosa, I believe does give the team a competitive advantage over some teams who might have a more expensive roster

By my sums your attendance last game was $269,542 (slighlty less than the $276,824) and your players salaries are $338,413.(Slightly more than the $298,849)

Assuming your merchandise is 40K you should have $85,680 to cover Staff, scouting and profit.

If your not making a profit then your spending to much on staff & scouting.

A common strategy for when you are battling to stay out of the demotion zone is that you only attempt to win the games that you can win and that you dont waste anything on games you cant.

Impossible to give informed advise without having a good look at your players.

At the end of the day Im probably not the right person to advise you anyhow as I had to buy 3 beasts in to promote out of div II.3 and nearly went bankrupt in the process.

Up until then HA was a bit like BroomTime, competitive for a long period of time but not really threatening to promote (At least BroomTime as compared to HA, built a proper size stadium whilst in div2- HA wasted too much money on staff)

Your thought process about having a focus for the season is admirable and I reckon is the way to go.

If the window of opportunity for promotion is not there because of the presence of the likes of Glenelg Tigers, then set other goals such as to develop the stadium to a certain size or to save "x" amount of $ or to acquire a player of a certain type or to focus your training on a couple of players.

Increasingly it is becoming more common for teams to strip their teams for a season so as to save money and gain better quality draft picks.

I dont agree with this defeatist like tanking approach which teams like Carlton, Melbourne, Stkilda and Collingwood have used in the AFL, but in retrospect I could of done this last season and entered this season with 3 or 4 mill in the bank instead fighting in vain to stay up and commencing this season with a negative bank balance.

Last season and the start of this season hasnt been a total loss for HA however as the stadium has grown from around the 14k mark to close to the 20k, a couple of future ABBL standard players were acquired as well as several value for money depth players and lots of managerial experience from the school of hard knocks (otherwise known as the ABBL).

Good luck whatever you do


Last edited by Sid Vicious at 8/29/2011 8:37:30 AM

Great post, very interesting view of the game. +1

thanks for all those comments mate. My staffing costs are only just above the league average at the moment, however i'm only going to purchase a new trainer (currently costing me 45K per week) if i can get them with a salary of under $20k, and that's not easy to do when you're after a level 4 or 5 trainer.

I've got some decisions to make, but i believe that with Stevens and Trakys developing nicely, with one or two more skill pops i'll be able to move one or both of them into a more prominent role. I think weightman has reached his skill cap, so i've got to make a call whether to move him on for a nice profit, or to keep him to play that backup pf/c position that he's been doing so well.

Though i'm only losing about $8k per week, the positive is that i've got plenty of options to make moves without dramatically killing my teams chances to remain in the league. I guess that's the advantage of having some solid trainees.

Either way, it's time for to re-evaluate, as i did in div III, to see how i can structure my team to advance in the next two seasons and put myself in a position to promote.

Construction to expand the stadium will continue, and with the prices will continue to fall as I hope to engage the fans more and more to make this team more profitable. I'm at no risk of going bankrupt, but it's time to get some strong profitability going again so that this team can be a consistent competitor moving ahead.

Last edited by pm24 at 8/29/2011 10:12:27 PM

I don't get why you want to continually expand your arena if it's currently half empty?

To generate greater earning capacity in the future.

I'm going to be working hard to find the right pricing mix to ensure crowds are closer to capacity moving forward.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not going to be focusing solely and expansion of my arena, just want to increase my capacity enough to try and improve my earnings to around $100k per week (once the fans are happy enough to come).

Yo doodz doze homiez were homoz n I b glad dey out of hea.

Yo peaceNroll wat a dope game dood, da wack loozers waz goin so i gave em 1 shot 2 blow n dey did! Sorry? Nah my noo homie Isaac eez much bedda n i got anuda wack dood fillin in till White boy is bak. Isacc aint jus mo fly he 2 ys yunga.

2nite gonna b wack do, BroomTime got da goodz but we still ballin.

Issac is SwEeT LyKe CaNdy
HoT LyKe F¡Re
GaNgStA bAlLa
GuNnA lIfT dA tEaM hIgHa

Down to the final 32 teams in the cup and 6 div II.2 teams remain

HA, PeaceNroll, Eggplants, SJOD, SBV and SVM.

This is a great result for div II.2 with only the ABBL (9 teams) having more teams from the one league make it this far.

Div II.1 have no teams left in the cup and divs II.3 and II.4 have 1 team each left in the cup

As a consequence of these remaining 6 div II.2 teams making it to the final 32 they will undoubtedly have their rankings improved and hopefully should benefit from bigger crowds

4 of the 6 div II.2 teams have drawn div 3 or lower oppossition.

Eggplants have drawn the 32 ranked div 1 team Koopasaurus and PeaceNroll have the 21st ranked div 2 team Stone Slashers.

By my estimations 7 of the 15 teams that win this round and as a consequence will make the final 16, are beatable if our teams are lucky enough to win through.

Statistically we are a good chance of having 2 div II.2 teams in the final 8

Good luck to all

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 9/1/2011 10:18:18 PM

A much needed win by my boys to maintain my spot in the logjam that is positions 4-7 in the Big 8.
Judging by the results it seems as though the Big 8 is the tougher conference thsi year with GT and HA proving very tough to beat, and all of EGG, BT, SVM, PNR and MR capable of upsetting more highly ranked teams.

It appears that a number of Great 8 teams are restructuring their teams mid-season with the likes of Jerries and Nevada Saucers make some big sales recently.

This year is really tightly contested and it's going to be interesting to see who will make the moves to avoid having to fight off in the relegation series at the end of the year. It appears that most teams are deserving of their place in the league.

Plus 1 to you (excellent sumation)


Seems the earlier predictions (mostly from those in the Great 8) that the Great 8 was the stronger conference might be wrong

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 9/5/2011 2:40:28 AM

It's funny that you do not include BroomeTime in that contest. Despite having a good start this season, I don't think they're safe. They may very well end up 5th or even 6th.

Sainstars are set to relegate. With such a small arena, poor line up and bad minutes management, I don't see how they could come back by the end of the season.

Seems the earlier predictions (mostly from those in the Great 8) that the Great 8 was the stronger conference might be wrong

Looking at the inter-conference results, it appears that the Big 8 is getting the better of the Great 8 in a number of games. Whether this is because of the restructuring of rosters that is taking place, better management or something else entirely i'm not sure.

PNR I agree that BT is far from safe. His team has been consistent and that has been his main saving grace. However, i struggle to see how he's going to take that next step at this stage. His performance this season is very similar to last season. Good enough to make the finals, but not good enough to really make an impact and challenge for promotion. I'm sure he's got a strategy in mind though. Beware the quiet one's i reckon.

To be honest, my team is frustrating me no end. I often seem to lose to teams that I think I should be beating. No disrespect to SJOD, but i seriously thought i would win that one. I'm starting to think that i've got one main weakness on my team and my aim is to address that through my training for the rest of the season.