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51930.11 in reply to 51930.5
Date: 10/5/2008 11:25:35 AM
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Well, I have to say that I disagree with that statement. ;)

My team is living proof. I trust my perimeter defense to cause steals and keep the ball out of the inside. That said, if I think the opponent has some decent handling/passing, I will play the 2/3.

You must have very nice handling/driving skills your self if you get so many steals..

cant you put some facts here about one of your matches plz.

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51930.12 in reply to 51930.11
Date: 10/6/2008 11:47:13 AM
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Being that I am a D.IV team, my handling and driving skills are above the norm for the Division. In general, my outside defense on my 3 starters is Strong, one of them has Strong handling, mediocre driving. Another has Strong driving and mediocre handling. The third is Average and respectable. All three have respectable passing as well.

I am working to train the three of them to have nearly even skills across the board.

With that said. ;) My last game (6332994), my opponent, while not having a great record, does have a decent SF and PF. After scouting his games, I felt his outside players took care of the ball, so I opted to increase my inside defense and let my outside players keep his guards in check. I played 2-3 against his RnG. I played TIE and he Normal, I had 8 enthusiasm for the game, he had a 5. Looking at the game, it was his two best players that scored the most and his outside players were held in check (scoring wise). His assist numbers were slightly higher than I expected and my steal numbers were lower than I had hoped for.

Overally, my strategy worked, but the numbers did not support my theory if my outside guys keeping the ball out of the middle. I wonder how things would have been different if I used a 3-2 or a 1-3-1 instead. ;)

Last edited by Mortons at 10/7/2008 12:08:29 PM

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51930.13 in reply to 51930.12
Date: 10/6/2008 9:04:43 PM
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Overally, my strategy worked, but the numbers did not support my theory if my outside guys keeping the ball out of the middle. I wonder how things would have been different if I used a 3-2 or a 1-3-1 instead. ;)


None of these wouldve been in question if you normalled and didnt TIE.

TIE dramatically reduces your defensive effectiveness and all but gives a slightly weaker opponent a wide open door to walk through.

I would opt to use TIE when you are CERTAIN of a victory OR when you feel your opponent will concede he is weaker and then TIE OR when you really need to save enthusiasm for a more important upcoming fixture.

I wouldnt beat yourself up about the outcome of one match - the enthusiasm has influenced the result far more than your tactical decisions.

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51930.14 in reply to 51930.12
Date: 10/6/2008 9:52:26 PM
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Being that I am a D.IV team, my handling and driving skills are above the norm for the Division. In general, my outside defense on my 3 starters is Strong, one of them has Strong handling, mediocre driving. Another has Strong driving and mediocre handling. The third is Average and respectable. All three have respectable passing as well.

I am working to train the three of them to have nearly even skills across the board.

With that said. ;) My last game (633294), my opponent, while not having a great record, does have a decent SF and PF. After scouting his games, I felt his outside players took care of the ball, so I opted to increase my inside defense and let my outside players keep his guards in check. I played 2-3 against his RnG. I played TIE and he Normal, I had 8 enthusiasm for the game, he had a 5. Looking at the game, it was his two best players that scored the most and his outside players were held in check (scoring wise). His assist numbers were slightly higher than I expected and my steal numbers were lower than I had hoped for.

Overally, my strategy worked, but the numbers did not support my theory if my outside guys keeping the ball out of the middle. I wonder how things would have been different if I used a 3-2 or a 1-3-1 instead. ;)

i think you linked wrong game... then if you have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you had won a greater victory!

your out def is almost as high as his out off...so you stop alot of attacks..

then with your PTB you get many points and win the game....

winning has nothing to do with your question about stealing..(handling/driving)

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51930.15 in reply to 51930.14
Date: 10/7/2008 12:10:58 PM
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i think you linked wrong game... then if you have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you had won a greater victory!


I did, forgot an important digit. ;)

(6332994)


My outside defense in the 2-3 was sufficient to shut his RNG down. I feel like the greater the disparity of Perimeter defense over Opp offensive flow and outside scoring, the more steals you get. That is all I am saying.

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51930.16 in reply to 51930.15
Date: 10/7/2008 3:07:01 PM
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i think you linked wrong game... then if you have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you had won a greater victory!


I did, forgot an important digit. ;)

(6332994)


My outside defense in the 2-3 was sufficient to shut his RNG down. I feel like the greater the disparity of Perimeter defense over Opp offensive flow and outside scoring, the more steals you get. That is all I am saying.

so with other words... if you should have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you would have got a greater disparity and got more steals

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51930.17 in reply to 51930.16
Date: 10/7/2008 5:54:13 PM
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especially he get more miss shot, at the opponent team ;)

The effect on steals is pretty low.

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51930.18 in reply to 51930.15
Date: 10/8/2008 11:02:18 AM
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i think you linked wrong game... then if you have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you had won a greater victory!


I did, forgot an important digit. ;)

(6332994)


My outside defense in the 2-3 was sufficient to shut his RNG down. I feel like the greater the disparity of Perimeter defense over Opp offensive flow and outside scoring, the more steals you get. That is all I am saying.


Maybe I am getting something wrong, but

- there are no steals (wasn't it 20?) and
- you are way too superior and you would win with any strategy - hard to draw reliable conclusions from there...

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51930.19 in reply to 51930.18
Date: 10/9/2008 1:20:47 AM
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i think you linked wrong game... then if you have played 3-2 or 1-3-1 you had won a greater victory!


I did, forgot an important digit. ;)

(6332994)


My outside defense in the 2-3 was sufficient to shut his RNG down. I feel like the greater the disparity of Perimeter defense over Opp offensive flow and outside scoring, the more steals you get. That is all I am saying.


Maybe I am getting something wrong, but

- there are no steals (wasn't it 20?) and
- you are way too superior and you would win with any strategy - hard to draw reliable conclusions from there...

?

agree