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Here's a question that I've been wondering about lately, given that I have a new trainee who's turning out to be somewhat fouly. What skills affect when a player commits a non-shooting, but defensive, foul?

Of course I know the oft repeated mantra that the reduce a guy's fouling you should train his defense. For the example I'm talking about here though, this is a big man trainee, so I'm trying to decide if it would be best to boost his OD or ID. In this case, I suspect that an off-the-ball foul might be related to outside defense, occurring when the defended player receives the ball and is deciding whether to attempt a shot or pass. In that case, training OD might help.

But I can also see the rationale for the tendency to commit a foul here to be controlled by inside defense, as although the defended player doesn't take a shot, he might start in the paint, and thus fall under the auspices of ID. In that case training ID might help.

Anyone have any experience, ideas, hypotheses about this?

Yeah, clearly he won't be a very low fouling type player. But from his fouling pattern in his games before coming to my club, it seemed he would be not super aggressive. So I believe there is hope for him, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to help him past this period of aggressiveness.

Probably I'll have to give him about a half season of training, maybe with a week/two of pressure, some ID, and some stamina, and re-evaluate. If he doesn't improve, then it's a lost cause.

If anyone else has any insights, I'd still love to hear them!

It's hard to tell, really. He could be attempting steals, in which case more OD might help him succeed more frequently and therefore foul less, or maybe it'll just make him try to steal the ball more frequently, which means you'll get more steals and roughly the same number of fouls. Or it could be defensive positioning, in which case more ID might help that, or might cause him to think he can get better position and give away more fouls.

So, boiling down this analysis into practical advice, train OD, or ID, or don't. Whatever you choose will backfire.

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Thanks for the on-topic post. Very interesting take on fouling in the current game engine. WHOOP!

haha well, here's my take on fouling:

ok in the NBA there are lots of different fouls, like let's see technical, flagrant* shooting* loose ball, foul*, charging, offensive* reach in, etc.

the askterisk are the ones that BB uses. Now as far as I can see defensive fouls are "fouls" it could be that someone was doing a pick and then they grabbed their arm. Or just they were trying to steal the ball, or they just trying to get the refs attention. But here's the point: Some fouls could be shooting, but the player didn't have the ball in the air, if it was in the air it'd be a Shooting foul. but for instance lets say Lebron driving yo the basket and Kevin Durant fouls him. If Lebron had the ball in the air it would be shooting, but IF it was on the ground dribbling it'd be regular defensive. idk what it would effect in the game engine, since only the BBs know. But I wonder what happens if we implemented the plays not mentioned? WOuld there be more fouls? Would there be less? Would the engine decide if it was in the air or not? there are lots of questions people have about the engine, and I'd like the fouling mystery of the engine to be answered first. But they hide it to nt give people advantage. also about the fouling behavior maybe he could be Agreessive type of guy Like Metta World Peace, but it'd take you some weeks to do........anywayas that's my take on fouling

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