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155292.2 in reply to 155292.1
Date: 8/27/2010 3:02:19 AM
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The Scouting Combine should give you the position of the player as well as the age and height. There is no point in having a 7 foot PG that would be untrainable, but you don't find out that he is a PG until you waste 1 more scout point.

Let's say i have good PG/SG//PF/C and i want to look for a good SF to train. The current system gives you 56 points max with $40,000 a week on scouting. Once you use 10 points to find out the age and height you are left with 46 points, then it more or less comes down to luck on who you scout, you can make an educated guess using the height of the player but as we all know all 5 positions can come in any height, if you get lucky after 4 picks and find a SF you then have to waste another 2 points to find out he is a 1 ball potential. With 46 points and a lot of unlucky guesses you don't get many SF's never mine a good one.

If you got the position with the combine you would see on average 8-10 SF's. Then you can spend your 46 points on 8-10 players that are SF's and not random guesses.

The current system is designed to find the best player that is worth more $$$$$ on the TL with random luck. Instead of what is best for your team. The best player That might be a 7+ foot C MVP or better, may be the best in the draft but is not the best for me because i already have a Good C, id rather take the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft if he is a SF with good potential because that's what my team needed.

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155292.3 in reply to 155292.2
Date: 8/27/2010 3:57:28 PM
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But actually you only need to know the height, skill and potential. Position plays no role in the matter. You still need to start training him. Does it matter if he has more guard skills or more big man skills. When I take a C, I'd rather take a 7'0 SG/PG knowing he has guards skills I do not have to worry about later.

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155292.4 in reply to 155292.3
Date: 8/27/2010 4:13:51 PM
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And what happens if that 7'0" PG came with atrocious inside defence. I bet you wouldn't be too happy then :P

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155292.5 in reply to 155292.4
Date: 8/27/2010 4:40:50 PM
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It would still go up faster than atrocious od? Would it not?

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155292.7 in reply to 155292.5
Date: 8/27/2010 4:48:26 PM
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I have no doubt :P I'm just saying you wouldn't be too happy about it :P
I understand that having secondary skills already trained would be great, but I just know that I would be frustrated if I got respectable in all guard skills and pitiful in all inside skills.

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155292.8 in reply to 155292.3
Date: 8/27/2010 8:08:01 PM
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When I take a C, I'd rather take a 7'0 SG/PG knowing he has guards skills I do not have to worry about later.


Thats my point, you say when you take a C you will waste points scouting guards and not the C's that you need, And like the virus said, if you get a 7 foot PG with with atrocious inside skills he becomes just as useless to train as a C and it will take you 2-4 seasons just to get him to when you can get a good 18y/o C with reasonable inside skills to start with.


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155292.9 in reply to 155292.8
Date: 8/27/2010 8:24:35 PM
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You are missing the point, if I would have to choose a 7 foot guy between 2 players, one with decent outside skills (weaker inside skills) and the other with decent inside skills (weaker outside skills). I would choose the one with better outside skills (if we are talking about matching numbers and skills) as those are harder to train. Ofcourse any of you can freely keep playing with those upper level dark blue/black C's. Ofcourse everyone prefers good all around trainees, but if you have to choose then outside skilled is better for training. Inside skilled is better for selling.
All I wanted to let you know is that you should focus on height more than the position, if you are going for SF. Use the scout combine and if you want more precise info, invest more in scouting.
I actually love the new scouting system, as people really now have to put some money in, if they want to see any info at all + you have all the control over your points.

From: yodabig

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155292.10 in reply to 155292.9
Date: 8/28/2010 6:40:55 PM
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So you are telling us that if you drafted a 7'0" PG with respectable handling, driving and passing but atrocious inside defence, inside shot, rebounds and shot blocking you would be so happy and would just get training on the 3 seasons it would take him to get up to the place where the other draftees start in their primary skills, but because you have good handling it will all be worth it in the long run?

I don't believe you.

From: Kukoc

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155292.11 in reply to 155292.10
Date: 8/29/2010 5:01:09 AM
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Ofcourse I would not be happy if he had 4 atrocious skills.
Try to understand once again. If there are ONLY 2 players you could choose from.
I would take the guy (height 7'0) with respectable outside skills and atrocious inside skills. Rather than respectable inside skills and atrocious outside skills. Ofcourse none would be happy with 4 atrocious skills, but if you had to make a choise between these 2 players, the choise would be obvious for me.
It would have to be a really special player that would get a backup spot in my team. So basically draftees get their training at cup/scrimmage anyway. He does not have to start contributing right away.