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The sf position is a very unique position in BB. A good sf is very rare because you can't actually train a player at that spot, and if you wanted to train one you would have to concentrate your training on solely that 1 player because you have to move him around from pg to center to maximize training. If you do that though your team will probably be very rewarded because once hes ready to play sf he'll be matched up with what are usually the worst defensive players on a teams roster. I don't know what everyone's sf's defensive ratings are, but i do think that typically people don't have that great of sfs. The only dominate sf i can remember is Smiley from when dragons used to be in this division, and he was played at sg most of the time anyway. Sf is similar to goalie in hattrick in that you train less players, but they are more expensive to buy than a player of the same skill level in a different position. I would like to know what you guys think about this. Should they add single position training options at sf, or is that just supposed to be part of the challenge in getting a good sf? Also do you guys prefer sfs that are more of outside players, or inside players because its nearly impossible to find a perfect balance? I usually tend to go with more outside oriented sfs that can shoot with some range. I would like to find ones with more inside skills, but when I try to buy them I find i can't afford the extra inside skills to go along with the outside skills i require and I compromise on the inside skills rather than outside skills. How do you guys evaluate your potential sfs you try to buy? Do you normally compromise for inside or outside game? Also is your highest priority offense or defense?

I am with you on your thoughts of the SF position. With that being said I think that you have to look at some NBA teams to get a guage. There are some multi talented SF in the NBA but there are also alot of teams who do the same thing we have to do. Play an extra guard or PF at that spot and try to create matchup problems. In college ball most of the time they don't even signify SF they are either guard, wing (basically same thing) or Forward.
I believe in BB it is difficult to find/train a good SF so most of us are resigned to use that guard who we bought and or drafted that happened to have decent ID and IS in addition to the guard skills we trained him at. It would be nice to have the option to single train the SF but I also think that adds a "nice problem" to the game because if you want a good one you will need to train your SF as you said at many different positions to get the needed pops.
I think it is just part of the BB strategy the way they have it set up but you are right most often the SF training is overlooked.

SF's are rare commodity in BB because of the trainining system. If you want to build an all around SF, you should give up short term success, or his initial skills must be high. SF's around are mostly outside focused. Importance of inside defense or what is meant by inside shooting is still not well known and a hot topic so people choose to train JS and one on one instead of ID and IS. Check the transfer market and its full of SFs with collosal JS and mediocre ID. This is actually a SG not a SF in my opinion. A one position training for SF would be good but not very challenging.

I agree

Yeah i have found it nearly impossible to find a sf with at least proficient outside and inside defense for under 4mill. Mostly because the really good sfs that have the skills all around have too good of skills for my team to afford, there arent sfs that are just plain good. You either get garbage/semi decent or too good of a sf.

This was a big eye opener for me at the Division 3 level. In fact, its one of the reasons why I acquired Bryan Dubois. Dubois is a young player with sensational IS, strong JS and mediocre JR (plus respectable passing). He rates well in both OD and ID. I also recently acquired a player who is short for a PF at 6-6, but has a very strong inside base, and a guard like base with respectable JS, JR, and PA; only downfall is that his OD is not good.

So the goal for right now is to train 4 players at the Guard positions. Two I'm grooming for SF and the others I have slated for guards. I bought my PGs with a minimum of Prominent Passing, and my 3 core long term posts are all at a minimum of respectable PA. That way I can shorten the Passing training from my the NT regimen and spend the last 3 weeks on IS/ID training for young posts (Dubois being hybrid trained).

I'm hoping this leads to two decent SFs that can grow with me over time, and that can facilitate the offense in any style of offense.

To me SF is the most important BB position because it impacts both the defensive and the offensive scheme possibilities.

I agree with RIP. I basically bought Bubdivcious because he has high rating for outside and inside d and his offence is decent. I try to rotate him into my guard training as often as possible. SF is tough to manage and the tactics surrounding them are a mystery compared to all the other positions.

another thing is OD takes time to train.... making the SF very hard to "create"...

unfortunately I couldnt pull it off ... Beavers was about respectable in every skill..

yeah especially when they change the trainers skill level system and so the trainer you have is no longer as effective as he once was and it takes you a season to realize that your guys aren't training as well as they should be. Justin Knowles would have been a much better player and defender if i realized sooner.

I will say this though, OD is something that can still be trained for players that are beyond the optimal 18-21 age range. One of my former players, Cezar Valerio I acquired at proficient OD and trained him to prolific in one season. I didn't dedicate a ton of time to him.

FYI, I'm getting pretty bored down here. Just beat the #3 team in the other conference by 50. And I didn't even play all my guys.

Later skaters.

you will be back up here soon!!