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I never really thought about this before, but I looked at some of the japanese teams in their division one, and although some teams are really bad, they are getting huge amounts of money from their arenas for being in a div1 league
am I right in my assessment or am I missing something

Division 1 is Division 1 regardless of country - everyone will get comparable attendances in Division 1, all things being equal.

Try to compare our TV contract to bigger countries. Cyprus has 70 or so teams, and i have $ 108 086. For instance Hellas that has 1 of the largest communities on BB, A1 has 148k per week. That means 640k per season more profit than us.

What its easier for small countries is to have fast domestic success. My team for example even if lost the div II finals advanced to CBBA taking a bot teams spot. 1 year there that i barely made the PO, and the next season i was the champion, but from BBB wise my team is far from being competitive

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/27/2010 4:51:06 AM

We have a discussion about this in ACBB forum (124836.28) (in spanish, sorry). Here my opinion: (124836.68). I will try to resume it in my poor english:

The Economy

As you said, 1st division is 1st division. But I'm not agree. Here in Spain, If you want to say in the 1st division you must be better than 6000 teams. In other countries, you only must be better than 50 or less. So, I can not understand how the TV/merchandising/arena incomes are the same in Spain and in a country with only 23 teams. This is the least realistic part of this wonderful game.

This is why a new team, with no too mutch experience, has enough money for buying players that an old team from Spain, Italy or USA can not buy. Maybe the team from big country has been playing for 5 seasons with two promotions, but it is still at IV division and there the incomes are ridiculous comparing with 1st division.

The small countries are little economical paradises in this game.

RANKING

Now I am the 285th in the world. Past season I lost the semifinals of Spanish 1st division and I started in V division some seasons ago. A team from a small country can be the 50th of the world because has won the league in the 1st division of a contry with only 25 teams. I have proved that I'm better than 6000 people. The winner of this country only has proved that he's better than 25 people. I think that the raking is not very realistic as well.

B3

The 12% of the teams from Cymru play the B3. The 0,0003% of the teams from Spain do it. I think that this is not fair and this is not good for the B3.

Now the B3 is full of teams without experience in the game. They have a lot of money because they play in the 1st division of their countries. Sometimes they haven't a lot of hard rivals, so they can think only in the B3, playing relax they competition and going hard in the B3. At the same time a team from a big country can not play at his best because his competition is harder than B3. And this is why the B3 has no interest for the comunity.

Last season, the winner of the B3 was a team from a country with less than 50 users. He is a great manager without any doubt, but he has an advantage: he comes from a small country.

¿Solutions? It's hard. But I think that an economical regularization could be the first step. And to have more teams playing the B3 from big countries and less from the small countries. For example, 8 teams from bigest countries can play the B3 while the teams from smallest contries must play a previous match between them for beeing in the B3.

Sorry about my english. :P

So, I can not understand how the TV/merchandising/arena incomes are the same in Spain and in a country with only 23 teams.

It's not, TV contracts are way lower. Merchandise income is lower as well.

You are playing with maxed out prices in a sold out 11k arena in Spain, I guess that's where you lack of income comes from. You might start to expand your arena.

I also do not know why there are no teams from Spain in the top 10 of the world. Sure, competition is tougher, but the USA got 2 teams, also being one of the best and largest countries. Germany got one, Hellas got one. Portugal got one. Those are all big countries. Maybe it's not the system, maybe it's the manager's culture. We saw Italian teams being dominant a few seasons ago, but then their competition got tougher. This lead to managers strengthen their line-ups, instead of expanding arenas. Germany was doing the opposite, and increased their revenue by a lot, they caught up with Italy in no time.

If small countries really were that easy, I'd expect to see many new teams from small countries dominating the scene. Sharman is here from season 3, Toroo from season 1. Where are the teams from the other small countries? I don't see them.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/27/2010 10:16:54 AM

As you said, 1st division is 1st division. But I'm not agree. Here in Spain, If you want to say in the 1st division you must be better than 6000 teams. In other countries, you only must be better than 50 or less. So, I can not understand how the TV/merchandising/arena incomes are the same in Spain and in a country with only 23 teams. This is the least realistic part of this wonderful game.

but you don't have to play those Teams, so the higher income didn't really affect you.

RANKING

Now I am the 285th in the world. Past season I lost the semifinals of Spanish 1st division and I started in V division some seasons ago. A team from a small country can be the 50th of the world because has won the league in the 1st division of a contry with only 25 teams. I have proved that I'm better than 6000 people. The winner of this country only has proved that he's better than 25 people. I think that the raking is not very realistic as well.

i think you could get lot more "points" for cup runs, so that teams in big countrys normally get more Points for achieving the same succes then in smaller countrys if the system is in somekind similiar to the NT ranking. But yes it is easier to promote there to good rankings then in a big country through the div 1 games. But how you want to decide such things, because it is hard to compare it in formulas - if you make it depending on the size of the country purely a great manager in a small country can not achieve something.

The 12% of the teams from Cymru play the B3. The 0,0003% of the teams from Spain do it. I think that this is not fair and this is not good for the B3.

Now the B3 is full of teams without experience in the game. They have a lot of money because they play in the 1st division of their countries. Sometimes they haven't a lot of hard rivals, so they can think only in the B3, playing relax they competition and going hard in the B3. At the same time a team from a big country can not play at his best because his competition is harder than B3. And this is why the B3 has no interest for the comunity.

It is a cup of champions, and the champs are playing there ;) And maybe the only good competition you could get in small countrys, but you mentioned it with the focus on this tournament. So without it, maybe those teams haven't a reason to play BBB anymore because most games are boring which won't help BB to grow in this countrys.

But here is maybe the only competition betwenn small and big countrys, where the econic sitution is an advantage for the small ones, but to make them uncompetive and aren't giving him the possibilities to earn the same like his opponent won't be a solution either.

Finally we agree in something :)

Now merchandise: I have 2 players that are playing in my NT (1 starter for U21, the other for the NT, who is playing always). My half players are Cypriots, 1 of them is with my team since i started, 3 came from the draft, 1 from the market. All those are getting playing time with my team (plus 1 player for the friendlies). With all that my merchandise profit varies from 97-117k max.

Mode-MOS is playing since season 3. I am playing from the half of the season 6. My arena is 18500 sits. Every season i am investing more than 800k on my arena. Yes my profit is very good compared to other him but i am sure that except from my arena (your choice to expand it) my income is much lower than larger countries 1st div.

They are lots of things that i dont like on the game and i would like to change, but not this one. I think that is pretty fair.