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105363.1
Date: 8/17/2009 10:08:35 AM
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Hello everyone,

I have a question. I find this nowhere in the rules and help back so I ask for your help

Do you know the tactics you used against each other?

For example, defense: full court press against 2-3 zone? This is not true but you know what your best at mandekking or 2-3 or 3-2 zone 1-3-1 zone or zone or full court press used? And the same as for the attack?

Thanks,
I would be able to learn a lot and now the play-offs approaching, I can use it

Ps: my english is not good so please make sure not too much I hope you understand me...

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105363.2 in reply to 105363.1
Date: 8/17/2009 12:16:21 PM
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There's a dutch, french or belgium help forum as well, where you can post your question if you feel more comfortable with one of these languages.

There is no best defense vs an offensive tactics and there is no best offence against a defensive tactic.

You'll have to compare your ratings and adjust accordingly. If you see your opponent is very weak inside and you have some decent inside players, you might choose for an inside focus like low post/look inside.

If your opponents got great guards and always plays motion, but you can easily match his offense because you've even got better guards, there's no need to play a 3-2 zone as suggested above.

The effects of the different tactics can be found in the rules/tactics section

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105363.3 in reply to 105363.2
Date: 8/17/2009 6:31:10 PM
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There is no best defense vs an offensive tactics and there is no best offence against a defensive tactic.


There may not be any "best" defence tactics against certain offensive tactics but there certainly are better tactics than others.

For example if your opponent is using Run and Gun or Motion I would suggest a 3-2 or 1-3-1 is allot better than a 2-3.

Basically what I do for every game is try give my team the better defence tactic against my opponents offence to give my team the best chances of keeping them to a lower score.

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105363.4 in reply to 105363.3
Date: 8/18/2009 5:04:54 AM
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I can't agree with that.

For example if your opponent is using Run and Gun or Motion I would suggest a 3-2 or 1-3-1 is allot better than a 2-3.


Let's say we got a team with this ratings and he tries to fool his opponent by playing a Run and Gun.;

Outside Scoring: inept (low)
Inside Scoring proficient (medium)

Then we got another team defending like this in a man to man;

Perimeter Defense proficient (medium)
Inside Defense respectable (high)

Then the defending team will get a better result playing a 2-3 zone (since his PD is an overkill already and he lacks some ID). So in that case a 2-3 zone will be the most effective tactic agains opponents Run and Gun, which will lead possible ratings like this (and we even ignore the extra rebounding advantage now)

Perimeter Defense respectable (high)
Inside Defense proficient (low)

Since the Game Engine will try to adjust during the game as much as possible (i.e taking more inside shots if the outside looks are terrible and visa versa), your team now completely blocks his offense, while when he plays a 3-2 or a 1-3-1, as you suggest, he only blocks the outside (with a huge useless overkill), which leads to more inside shots that give a good look, as said in the rules.

During the course of the game, your coach will make adjustments as a result of how the game is going. If you are making a lot of inside shots, he will tell you to take more inside shots. If the opponent is making a lot of inside shots, he will tell your defenders to double-team in the post more often.


In this case you will certainly keep your opponent to a lower score with a 2-3 than a 1-3-1/3-2.

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105363.5 in reply to 105363.4
Date: 8/18/2009 6:31:11 AM
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I have to say that I have never read that bit about the coach changing tactics half way through a match, that's opened my eyes a little.

So what is the point of chooseing tactics if your coach is going to change it during the game? How often do you think this happens? Every game?

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105363.6 in reply to 105363.5
Date: 8/18/2009 6:38:36 AM
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I think happens pretty much every game, but it's hard to say how often.
The players will always try to look for the best possible shots, and sometimes that's not the tactical outside or inside shot. I played look insides with 15-20 3FG shots, that pretty much indicates I didn't choose the optimal tactic, like this match (13252453). But in this match I only took 5, which shows the tactic was allright (13252509)

The other part of the alinea in the rules is this;
However, any time that the coach makes a change away from the tactics you started out with, it will be a less effective than if you had simply chosen to double-team the post all along (i.e., you will find that it is easier for your coach to tell the defenders to focus even harder than they already are on inside defense if you are already playing a 2-3 zone). The closer your submitted tactics are to the optimal choice, the better, especially because the coach is only able to make limited adjustments once the game has started.

So choosing the right tactic is important, since the adjustments are less effective.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 8/18/2009 6:41:55 AM

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105363.7 in reply to 105363.5
Date: 8/18/2009 6:40:36 AM
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So what is the point of chooseing tactics if your coach is going to change it during the game? How often do you think this happens? Every game?

It happens every game. You will always get the best result if your tactics are "correct" to begin with. There is then much less need to adjust.

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105363.8 in reply to 105363.5
Date: 8/18/2009 6:57:11 AM
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I have to say that I have never read that bit about the coach changing tactics half way through a match, that's opened my eyes a little.

So what is the point of chooseing tactics if your coach is going to change it during the game? How often do you think this happens? Every game?


because the rigth tactic is always better, like it stand in the rules. Maybe someone quote this from the engine section about adjustment, and the rigth strategy.

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105363.10 in reply to 105363.5
Date: 8/18/2009 2:23:09 PM
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The thing to consider here is that your coach will not change your tactics.

He will make adjustment at your tactics in order to improve the performance of your team if he decides is needed.