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and if you go by the salary formula, IS has no impact at all for a SF... and SB is almost as important as IS, ID and Reb for a C.

I actually do not have a big issue for the IS salary impact on a SF. IS on a SF in BB is a secondary skill at best, maybe even a third skill. For sure I would want OD, ID, JS on a SF first. After that, passing, handling, driving and rebounding would be next on my list. Not to say that IS is not useful for a SF, it is just not one of the most important skills.

yeah...that's why often the coach of teams like Toroo used big mans as SF playing look inside....for their handling and driving skills ;P
In some points,the salary formula doesn't reflect the impact of a skill for certain roles...

yeah...that's why often the coach of teams like Toroo used big mans as SF playing look inside....

I can't quote all of his games, but it looks like he played look inside today during his B3 match and used a SG and SF at the SF position (and I know his SF's best skill is not inside shot). I would actually be surprised if Torooo ever used a C at SF but please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, inside shot can be useful on a SF in a look inside offense, but I would not put its importance over inside/outside d, jump shot, passing and handling or even a decent amount of driving.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 09/23/2009 13:14:05

Actually, I couldn't see significant difference between a SF with tremendous JS and respectable JS, but the sample size is still quite small.

Actually, I couldn't see significant difference between a SF with tremendous JS and respectable JS, but the sample size is still quite small.

Are you saying that I should just stop training altogether? ;-)

Dunno, but after downgrading from prolific/prolific to proficient/proficient in IS/ID, so that I can upgrade from respectable to tremendous JS, I haven't seen a sufficient improvement in outside tactics.

Which once again comes to prove that mediocre JR is not quite sufficient.

Which once again comes to prove that mediocre JR is not quite sufficient.

But maybe it just means that prominent-prolific JR is necessary and sufficient?

I have often used a big man at sf, with very good results. At the moment it is more personnel issues than reluctance to play a big man at sf. Inside shot is quite valuable in a look inside offense for a sf, especially when the defending sf is not a big man. Just look at some of the games brianjames played against me where his big man sf (ascariz) completely abused my outside small forward.

Oops - I was wrong. My face is a bit red at the moment but it seems like I have learned more about the game in the past few days than I ever had.

Which once again comes to prove that mediocre JR is not quite sufficient.

But maybe it just means that prominent-prolific JR is necessary and sufficient?

Could be. I am not getting quite what I want from a big man at SF either, since I feel they're not getting enough shots to exploit what is an obvious IS/ID mismatch.

Does anyone have any experience how high-Driving SFs behave in a Look Inside setting?

playing inside man at SF in the new engine is way less effective than in the old one. Offensive flow became very important, and the top inside teams that play inside man at SF just can't get the ball to their inside man anymore. This results in a huge amount of shots taken by the guards, even though you are playing look inside.

See my team for example, playing the inside guy at SF is just less effective than before. My guards took 60% of the shots in my last game, and are taking 45-55% on average, while playing a look inside. My offensive flow is too low. Another example is Ysje's team, he played a few LI's as well with guards taking shitloads of shots, like this one vs riceball (15672122).

Inside teams lost a lot of their value in the new engine, which makes it way more realistic, since even inside teams need decent guards now.

@Koz, players with high driving just tend to take a lot of shots when playing a look inside, so the combi of driving + IS became more important imo. I'll put this guy in a look inside at SF this PL game to see the effect, but I think he's quite effective in the new engine (other than this, very low outside skills)

Driving: prolific Passing: inept
Inside Shot: sensational Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: strong


Last edited by BB-Patrick at 09/23/2009 16:02:33

When guys are talking about a mismatch at SF position, because of good IS versus bad ID, it is assuming "man-to-man" defence. If you play a zone, like 2-3, or even 3-2, then the inside big guys can cover the SF a bit, right?