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What about intorducing some new option (similar to "scouting combine" and group demonstration")?
For example, paying 10 scouting points, a new option that allow you to see one skill (that you can choose) for each 48 players?
This will not affect the market or change the draft system, and makes the choice a little more rational and less random.

It wouldn't be a good idea to make the prospects better or worse depending on level of division.

That said, I don't see any down side to the lower levels by having the ability to draft a higher skilled player. You too would be able to pull a really good player too if you invested in the draft so I don't see how it would be unfair or cause for discouragement. You could still train at the lower levels and if done correctly it would offer you a chance to be competitive sooner as you climb the divisions. You can never train enough guys to fill your roster, you will always need the TL to find complimentary players that you don't have to train. So that aspect is unaffected other than it not being the only way to build a team at the higher levels.

IMO

If you compare the BB draft to the NBA draft, the biggest difference is that in BB, the players have no incentive to show you what their skills are. If we tweaked things, it would be easier to see skills and harder to see potential. That way people who invest in scouting can get good potential and those who don't still know what the field looks like from a skill POV.

What I would love to see is this:
- Do away with the "ball system."
- Generate player ages (18yo-21yo) and potential randomly. Then generate skills randomly with 18yos up to 7, 19yos up to 8, 20yos up to 9, 21yos up to 10.
- Change the draft screen so that each player has 3 pieces of info: a potential rating [EDIT to delete extraneous info] with a margin of error from 100% to 0% (18yos start with 100%, 19yos 90%, 20yos 80%, and 21yos 70%), an average of their stat line from games you've seen them play, and a number of games seen.
- Add a salaried scout to the staff. Better staff decreases the range of error more per viewing (say minimal=8% and world-renowned=22%).
- Over the course of the season have prospect games.
--------- Divide 50 prospects randomly into 5 teams of 10. (50 to make it even and to let some players not get chosen - also a draft reality.)
--------- Have each team play 4 games over the course of the season. Each game is played at a neutral site with Base/M2M tactics, 7 GS, 5 Enth and a blank lineup. (If you run 1 game per week that's 10 games overall, so skip ASW, Playoffs and Week 1.)
--------- Make each game cost $5k to send your scout to, which reveals the box scores and adds precision to the evaluation of players' potential.
- At the end of the season, the top scorer, rebounder, passer, and defender of each team are named and their game averages are released. Additionally, they have 40% removed from the margin of error in their potential estimate.

So at the end of the season, your draft board would look something like this:

Prospect 14: HT 6'1", AGE 19, POT Allstar (32% error), Games Watched 4
SG MIN 37, FG 8.1 - 21.3, 3FG 1.5 - 3.1, FT 0.2- 0.9, OR 1.3, RB 4.2, AST 2.3, TO 0.2, STL 1.6, BLK 0.3, PF 2.0, PTS 17.9

So you'd know something about player skills relative to the rest of the class and have a clue that your player could be starter-superstar potential.

You could even let the neutral sites be decided by the 10 lowest pre-season CR and give the hosting team a free scouting and a bonus accuracy boost.

Something like this would add real strategy to the draft and create an engaging new dimension to gameplay.

Last edited by rhyminsimon at 06/19/2014 19:12:22

All of this may be one of the better suggestions I have read in a long time. Well thought out.

it would be easier to see skills

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So, yer.... :) happy days! Look actually reading your post was good, its a good idea. Personally, I would first like to know from BB how the box score is generated. Do they run a series of pretend games with the players from the draft and then post the box scores? I dont believe that this is so. So first of all, I would like the box scores to be generated form an actual game.
And perhaps like you suggested, from many games. and supply the box score 'averages' for that player.

but otherwise im pretty happy with the way the draft is. :)

These are good points, draft should change. Right now the only reason to invest in it, is finding 5 ball potential players and sell them. That's sad. For teams playing in higher divisions is almost impossible drafting a 3k player and train him. With a 20 yo player with 20k salary would be possible instead. Average investment in scouts in my league is 625$ per week, veryvery sad.

@ Coach Regan: your work is great, but i think we need more informations about draftees, right now there is too uncertainty about this. And then, as you said, we are sure that box-scores are reliable? And if they are, 15 minutes stats are a good statistic-sample? i dont think so

thanks for that.
yer certainly the thing i noticed with box scores, was that players played a minimum of 20, and max of 40 mins for their box score (from my memory).
but still.... only 1 box score? an average of 4 games would be much better. and knowing that it came from a BB game engine game would be nice as well.

Secondly
I know a lot of people don't like the draft, its just that there are so many people out there who do use it and use it successfully.... If everyone who played BB could not succeed at the draft, then yer, there is a problem... but there are just too many people who know how to draft and use their draftee's successfully.

So just a few comments.....

is finding 5 ball potential players and sell them.

- training 4 and 5 ball potential 18 and 19 year olds is still a viable option? don't you think?

For teams playing in higher divisions is almost impossible drafting a 3k player and train him.

- Its harder, but not impossible. the main reason why its harder is because the top league teams tend to also be in the cup longer, thus losing many weeks of scrimmages where training minutes are easier. This isnt a problem of the draft, this is a choice that top league managers need to make.... train, league, cup, managing minutes etc etc.

With a 20 yo player with 20k salary would be possible instead

If they were going to have 20 year olds in the draft, i couldnt see them being more than $10k salary.

I respect and understand your points. At the end, we both agreed that some more informations about draftees would make the investment a little bit more safe for who decide to invest.

The reason for training being so hard in top divisions is only ONE! The game shape training is ridiculous, and nowadays is killing this game for those who love to train, like me.

Solution: Simply destroy game shape training and make teams who really manage their guys minutes win (and also have trainees). Or even make the training less eficient, right now your player can grow 2 levels of shape on a week with 20 or 90 minutes...no sense!


Last edited by Melo9 at 07/02/2014 07:53:39

The reason for training being so hard in top divisions is only ONE! The game shape training is ridiculous, and nowadays is killing this game for those who love to train, like me.

Remove GS training or not, there's no way that you can play an 18 year old in league matches in the top level against other competitive teams and succeed. Thankfully there are often a lot of teams that are throwing games for the Cup, or easy Cup draws, etc., but training isn't unappealing because of GS training, it's more that GS training is more appealing because training is unappealing.