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I have recently seen the suggestion that high driving skills may force more fouls. Not sure if this is true; however, someone said that they draw more fouls when their opponent "backs off slightly". Could this be an allusion to a player making a good drive so the opponent had to back off, allowing a perimeter shot?

On an inside shot, a drive is usually pretty obvious, with the text saying something like "player x drives to the basket".

I have recently seen the suggestion that high driving skills may force more fouls.

i believe that it in in better player get more fouls against weaker one, without knowing the skills of both players it is hard to test - maybe when it comes to an evidence in this study you could take another viw on it.

On an inside shot, a drive is usually pretty obvious, with the text saying something like "player x drives to the basket".

Won't say that, i could be just a text for a shot near the basket - and i also don't have fun to watch all games ;)

someone said that they draw more fouls when their opponent "backs off slightly".

also here i don't like to watch all the games, maybe it is a text for missed shot + foul when it gives something like that.

You could be right on all points except this one:

also here i don't like to watch all the games, maybe it is a text for missed shot + foul when it gives something like that.

I have seen shots go in when a player "backs off slightly". I have also seen missed shots on this text without a foul. Anyhow, it doesn't mean anything.

In any case, I personally would prefer a game engine that is "no nonsense". What I mean by that is every phrase means something in terms of what skills are used. Otherwise it is all fluff and no substance.

If this game engine is a "nonsense" version, I'd rather just see: "player X scores" and forget all the fluff.

maybe is it so,i don't know if the BB talk about that but i can imagine both things. And i like the fluff if makes it a more exciting.

At least a introduction about text scenes will be to much work for me, and in the end it will be a taff work to translate this study in the other languages. And then you have to know how you get special textes, or is it just a random text with higher chanche to foul and there are also textes who need the "same" skill but doens't lead to that much fouls.

Good work. I had a quick look at the game between (i think it was) germany and Ireland since it was pointing against the agenda of this research, only to find out that germany actually wasnt realy having that much of an advantage in defens.

In todays cupgame (15084140) (i know you prefere NT but my own team is good since i know the skills of the players) the result supports your theory.
However, the fact that my SG racks up 5 fouls in 24 minutes defending outsideshots (with pitiful OD) puts it in an other light. I have seen similar results with my guards playing inside.

This was just a sidetrack, still waiting for more data and your findings...

Working on an update?

this would come, but i don't know if today ;) I think till thursday evening i would finish it for sure.

Great. I just wanted to remind you ;)

http://www.filefactory.com/file/ahcc2g6/n/Fouls_xls

Seems like we have an change in our trend

Avg Fouls Winning Team(28 games): 16,36
Avg Fouls Loosing Team(28 games): 14,82
Avg total: 15,59

Avg Fouls Winning against Inside(8 games): 16.75(135 fousl total)
Avg Fouls Loosing against Inside(4 games): 16(64)
Avg vs inside: 16,58

Avg Fouls Winning against Normal(10 games): 17.2(172)
Avg Fouls Loosing against Normal(13 games): 14.15(184)
Avg vs Normal: 15.48

Avg Fouls Winning against Outside(10 games): 15.2(152)
Avg Fouls Loosing against Inside(11 games): 15.18(167)
Avg vs Outside: 15.19

To next week i try to learn a bit more EXCEL/OO Code that i can include those tables into the file ;)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 07/09/2009 06:06:09

http://www.filefactory.com/file/aheg3a8/n/Fouls_xls

with the games tomorrow the study ends because of the changes of the ge, maybe i use the U21 games too and make a lot of stats of it ;)

Actually i only take the main stats:

Winning team 16,6 Fouls per game
Loosing team 15,16 Fouls per game

But zthe loosing team uses much more slow and inside tactics then the winning teams.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 07/19/2009 13:45:31

Sorry i was too late this week for the Asian games those are missing :(

The german word Spiele means games in english, and shows the total numbers of games for this stat. Sorry i am to lazy to change it, and a bit confused when i make this line in german.

OS: Outside Focus(including Princeton)
Inside: inside Focus
Nomal: Normal focus


Winning Teams Loosing Teams

Total Fouls 727 | Total Fouls 684
Spiele 45 | Spiele 45
Fouls AVG 16,16 | Fouls AVG 15,2

Fouls vs Inside 220 | Fouls vs Inside 124
Spiele 14 | Spiele 7
AVG 15,71 | AVG 17,71

Fouls vs Norl 236 | Fouls vs Nor 278
Spiele 14 | Spiele 19
AVG 16,86 | AVG 14,63

Fouls vs OS 271 | Fouls vsOS 282
Spiele 17 | Spiele 19
AVG 15,94 | AVG 14,84

Fouls Same Effort 338 | Fouls same E 343
Spiele 22 | Spiele 22
AVG 15,36 | AVG 15,59

Fouls less Eff 287 | Fouls less E 105
Spiele 17 | Spiele 6
AVG 16,88 | AVG 17,5

Fouls more Eff 102 | Fouls more E 201
Spiele 6 | Spiele 17
AVG 20,4 | AVG 18,27


In the end the difference betwenn good defenciv players and bad one seems to be very small(6% with "huge" differences).

A thing which was a bit confusing, that games with the same Effort(TIE/Normal/CT) seems to have less Fouls then games with different effort. but this could be also misleading through the small sample, but the difference ain't small.

PS: Sorry for the bad formation, i will upload the excel with the formulas soon.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 07/27/2009 10:44:20